VC! Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 England gave me the Heebie Jeebies last night I backed Australia and at no point was I cutting my losses The thing I liked about England 🏴 victory was they went about it if they were chasing 320 Not bothered about how one gets to the final the final is a whole new scenario it’s about capitalising on your opportunities Guptill capable of winning this match on his own, Go out in the middle to win, not to faaaarkin exist the pressure should be on England not NZ no one expects NZ to win your there now the final is ours to win theirs to lose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 50 minutes ago, mardigras said: my views - Bangladesh - lucky to win, played average with bat and ball. (as an aside, the best game I have attended from an atmosphere perspective. The Bangladeshi's were brilliant supporters and it was an exciting game. Windies, 1 foot won NZ the game and got them into the semi. Average play from both sides. Then I'll add. South Africa. Average bowling. Poor batting. Williamson was hailed as being magnificent. I thought it was his worst game this tournament. He was doing what MS Dhoni did for India against us. Leaving the rest to do too much. Lucky for him it came off, although to be a little bit fair, it was a tough wicket as many have been. Even Afghanistan. Average all round performance. Then there are the losses. Australia, England and Pakistan. Two thrashings and Pakistan were always cruising. We were very average in that game. So for me, I haven't seen many good performances with bat or with ball (except SL). I went there supporting them. I already backed them pre tournament at 14s. And I'm happy they are in the final. But they very few decent performances with bat or ball. Against India, they were good with the ball - and still were in danger of losing it. If they can get to the final with those performances, a good performance will be tough to beat. Most of the teams winning have had a consistency about their top order. We have as well. Consistently getting out. I'm not sure whether it is 3 or 4, but golden ducks - quite a few from our openers. If you went on the names that are the colourful essence of cricket, the WI would win everything Gordon Greenidge Garfield Sobers(Sir) Seymour Nurse Rohan Kanhai As opposed to Steve Smith Ross Taylor etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hesi said: If you went on the names that are the colourful essence of cricket, the WI would win everything Gordon Greenidge Garfield Sobers(Sir) Seymour Nurse Rohan Kanhai As opposed to Steve Smith Ross Taylor etc etc But in the modern era, they are erratic. Can win on any day and lose the next to the likes of Afghanistan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 I think a lot of their young athletic talent gets bled to the big sports in USA, like the NBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 One thing is certain should England lose the tabloids will cut them to shreds, they’ll want blood Lets do this!!! lets make it a Sunday Bloody Sunday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 it was a tough wicket as many have been. And that's my key point ...Williamson has been fabulous at reading the requirements of each game. I hope he can do it one more time. I hope we win the toss and BOWL. At least we'll get fair value for our investment in time and tension that way - cos even if England get 350 we can have a crack at them, but if we're 25-3 or worse batting first we probably wont be in it for long against their cavalier batters doing their B McCullum impersonations! Ferguson is inexperienced but the way he bowled against Dhoni shows he's unlikely to be be overawed by the occasion on Sunday night. If Nicholls is out, I guess they have the perfect opportunity to bring back Munro for a do-or-die assault..or Sodhi if they feel spin twins can winkle out those impatient Pommie blaggards! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Maximus said: it was a tough wicket as many have been. And that's my key point ...Williamson has been fabulous at reading the requirements of each game. Yep, tough or not, I still say he got the SA game wrong which will never show up in the results, since we won. In my view, he made the game him or nothing. If he failed at the time he actually decided to do something, we would likely lose. If he failed earlier doing exactly the same thing, we likely don't lose. He introduced losing into the equation. Just like MS Dhoni. In his case when he came to the point he had to do something and continue to do that something, that something failed. But there was no time to recover from the situation Dhoni had put them in. It was only OK for India to do what he did, if he didn't fail. But he went out and that was that. Similar scenarios, one came off. One didn't. I think Williamson is a great batsmen and generally a good captain. Aside to all that, a team shouldn't have to rely on one player. Which NZ has largely done. NZ need to have more than just Williamson in the final. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sandpiper Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Hello cricket fans. What a great tournament this has been and the somewhat un-english pitches have really added to it. The toss being a big factor is hardly new and I'd take that variance over T20 roads for 100 overs any day. NZ - IND It's a curious thing about cricket how batters continually have to weigh up risk / reward on pain of not being able to contribute further. India seem to have an overabundance of caution when batting, quite the opposite to England and Australia. They play less % of attacking shots and attempt less 4s compared to 6s. NZ are somewhere in between. In the recent series here in NZ India's chases felt needlessly laboured as if they felt a cricket game should always go to the 46th+ over. Could they have gone harder safely or were they wise to stay in 4th gear? Thats the million dollar question in cricket. I thought they idled a little too long versus NZ this week and Dhonis personal batting style after NZ made headway gave them a little too much to do. You would think immortal Dhoni should be able to adjust (certainly from listening to some of the comms!) but he has actually been returning a negative value in runs for his team (in terms of game scenario) for a number of years now after being the opposite in his earlier career. ENG - AUS Virtually England's best ever start to a ODI, and Australia's worst. The link with the NZ IND game is a ket batters inability to change their personal batting style, in this case Maxi. He can't help himself just like Dhoni, at different ends of the spectrum, and the look on Smith's face after Maxwell threw his wicket away was priceless and cost Australia dozens of runs given the wickets/overs scenario. The new pitch held up better than most in the past 2 weeks making Englands chase like shooting fish after seeing off the new ball shine. A slaughter made possible by better use of the new ball and the cricketing gods smiling - remember the ENG AUS group game when half chance after half chance when the wrong way for England, quite the opposite last night. NZ - ENG No one wants to face Boult. And when Boult is there, no one wants to be forced to make hay off Henry and Ferguson. NZ have the problem though of trying to hide 20 overs of relative dross besides those 3. If the gods smile on NZ and England are 3 or 4 down by the time CdG and Neesham are bowling then we have a game, otherwise there likely isn't the peril around to get close to bowling England out and stop them getting at minimum a run a ball off the last 30 overs. In the other innings when NZ bat it is all about the openers. The stats say form is a mirage for batters: from match to match they make scores at random intervals and at almost any time after the first few deliveries of an innings they will continue to have an even chance of going on to score their average. Try telling that to anyone who just watched walking wickets Guptil and Nicholls though. NZ's strike rate lower down is poor compared to England. 3.8 is a big price on paper for sure but I think there is value in waiting to see if the NZ openers are waving it around trying to defend imaginary 6 foot by 4 wickets first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sandpiper said: Hello cricket fans. What a great tournament this has been and the somewhat un-english pitches have really added to it. The toss being a big factor is hardly new and I'd take that variance over T20 roads for 100 overs any day. NZ - IND It's a curious thing about cricket how batters continually have to weigh up risk / reward on pain of not being able to contribute further. India seem to have an overabundance of caution when batting, quite the opposite to England and Australia. They play less % of attacking shots and attempt less 4s compared to 6s. NZ are somewhere in between. In the recent series here in NZ India's chases felt needlessly laboured as if they felt a cricket game should always go to the 46th+ over. Could they have gone harder safely or were they wise to stay in 4th gear? Thats the million dollar question in cricket. I thought they idled a little too long versus NZ this week and Dhonis personal batting style after NZ made headway gave them a little too much to do. You would think immortal Dhoni should be able to adjust (certainly from listening to some of the comms!) but he has actually been returning a negative value in runs for his team (in terms of game scenario) for a number of years now after being the opposite in his earlier career. ENG - AUS Virtually England's best ever start to a ODI, and Australia's worst. The link with the NZ IND game is a ket batters inability to change their personal batting style, in this case Maxi. He can't help himself just like Dhoni, at different ends of the spectrum, and the look on Smith's face after Maxwell threw his wicket away was priceless and cost Australia dozens of runs given the wickets/overs scenario. The new pitch held up better than most in the past 2 weeks making Englands chase like shooting fish after seeing off the new ball shine. A slaughter made possible by better use of the new ball and the cricketing gods smiling - remember the ENG AUS group game when half chance after half chance when the wrong way for England, quite the opposite last night. NZ - ENG No one wants to face Boult. And when Boult is there, no one wants to be forced to make hay off Henry and Ferguson. NZ have the problem though of trying to hide 20 overs of relative dross besides those 3. If the gods smile on NZ and England are 3 or 4 down by the time CdG and Neesham are bowling then we have a game, otherwise there likely isn't the peril around to get close to bowling England out and stop them getting at minimum a run a ball off the last 30 overs. In the other innings when NZ bat it is all about the openers. The stats say form is a mirage for batters: from match to match they make scores at random intervals and at almost any time after the first few deliveries of an innings they will continue to have an even chance of going on to score their average. Try telling that to anyone who just watched walking wickets Guptil and Nicholls though. NZ's strike rate lower down is poor compared to England. 3.8 is a big price on paper for sure but I think there is value in waiting to see if the NZ openers are waving it around trying to defend imaginary 6 foot by 4 wickets first. Like the summary Sandpiper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, VC! said: One thing is certain should England lose the tabloids will cut them to shreds, they’ll want blood Lets do this!!! lets make it a Sunday Bloody Sunday All this stuff about the semi final curse and first major world cup final since 66 is such nonsense isn't it, theres only about 6 decent teams in word cricket!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, Say No More said: Slightly harsh on Mitchell Santner!? He was outstanding against India and did i hear somewhere that he has one of the best economy rates in the whole tournament in those middle overs. I agree entirely and absolutely and utterly completely in every possible respect with ..Say No More!!. (Holy Hell, I think we're going to win the Final.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 here's the ace up our sleeve, lads...the Poms ain't faced Ferguson...he was injured for the round-robin match ... and you'll recall that Southee replaced him and went for 70-plenty. Best bowler for us that day was Neesham (2-41)...but that was at Chester-le-Street, not the Home of Cricket.... Go, Fergie!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Say No More said: Slightly harsh on Mitchell Santner!? He was outstanding against India and did i hear somewhere that he has one of the best economy rates in the whole tournament in those middle overs. Perhaps. Against India he came in at 70-4 after 20, massive pressure on them created by the strike bowlers and not helped at all by Dhoni (who faced 40% of Santners balls). He only bowled 3 overs against Aus. Against England he went for 65 and took 1 wicket. India was rained off. He's 36th in the ICC rankings, Rashid is 29th and that's about right for me. Is Santner good enough to get out batters trying to smack him around too much? Certainly. Flattered recently? Yes also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Sandpiper said: All this stuff about the semi final curse and first major world cup final since 66 is such nonsense isn't it, theres only about 6 decent teams in word cricket!! Agree 100% and like Netball and Rugby,it is virtually played by Commonwealth Countries. Edited July 12, 2019 by ngakonui grass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 So with all this superb analysis, anyone got any value bets. I note the TAB offering a top run scorer double Roy/Williamson of $10, but if you multi up their individual prices you are better off at $10.50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Ferguson to take another first over wicket at 8.00 is ok. His strike rate is one every 30 balls. Top 20 all-time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 Does this make sense? Losing to England in the group stages puts the Black Caps at an advantage in tomorrow's Cricket World Cup final, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Yeah its not so much a team game Steve, stick to rugby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 Anyhoo Good luck to the Black Caps tonight, not going to be a walk in the park, but cricket is a game of very fine margins, an inch the difference between a glorious cover drive and a thick outside edge to gully, make that point Was going to add a bit of interest, and have a comp whereby you had $10 to spend, any option on offer by the TAB, highest collect wins, mine would have been the double, highest bat Williamson/Roy @ $10 for a $100 collect. BUT, the power has been out all day, just on 10 min ago, bastards at Vector, too much profit, not enough maintenance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 7:12 AM, mardigras said: You can get 3.8 on NZ which I think is high for a two team outcome (not including the likes of Afghanistan). Longer odds than yesterday after qualifying and I expect odds to decrease during game, if not before. Pretty easy profit with NZ at under 1.70s. Or stick it out and see what happens as a true NZ supporter (well at least some of it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 56 minutes ago, mardigras said: Pretty easy profit with NZ at under 1.70s. Or stick it out and see what happens as a true NZ supporter (well at least some of it). Was tempted to cash out at 1.50 but riding it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Amazing game. NZ played well in the field. I would say they deserved to win but fell short. The 4 overthrows from Stokes bat a telling tale. Well done England on their first World Cup cricket win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, curious said: Was tempted to cash out at 1.50 but riding it out. Went down to 1.14. Might have been worth it at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 How can you fit so much drama into one match, as they say cricket was the winner, but it wasn't really, with the result determined by a countback on boundaries. Dems the rules, but need something better, something more consistent with the other rules of cricket. The much maligned Duckworth Lewis system focuses on wickets lost, as does the old WC rule, which would have seen the Cup go to NZ. Well done to England, but that must be hard to swallow for the Black Caps. I thought 240 was nowhere near enough, so what do I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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