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Excessive Use of The Whip

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I note the riders of the Mitigator and the first 3 home in the Cup, all fined and suspended(S Weatherly adjourned), for excessive use of the whip(see below).  So much at stake, do they really care in the heat of battle

638 

(3) A Rider shall not:

(b) strike a horse with a whip in a manner or to an extent which is: [Amended 1 May 2015]

(ii) or excessive

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No, and there is no incentive for them to care .

If losing the race was likely,  they might just care a bit more.

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Rather than losing the race, the Jock should forfeit ALL their % for the race and still have the stand down period, dont penalise the owner.

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It is a possibility, that the owner has made it quite clear to the jockey, that if you are in a winning position, then do whatever it takes to get the win, we will 'look after you'.

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34 minutes ago, barryb said:

Rather than losing the race, the Jock should forfeit ALL their % for the race and still have the stand down period, dont penalise the owner.

I think that's the problem with barryb's idea which otherwise is a good one.

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As an owner myself,  losing a race has little appeal for me either....but, other jockey errors have that effect, should that rule be any different?

Personally, I like the UK limit of seven strikes overall ( think that's right )  or even the French one of five overall.

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6 minutes ago, Freda said:

As an owner myself,  losing a race has little appeal for me either....but, other jockey errors have that effect, should that rule be any different?

Personally, I like the UK limit of seven strikes overall ( think that's right )  or even the French one of five overall.

But what are the penalties if that is exceeded?

It's a situation that can never work, if half the racing fraternity adhere to the rules and the other half don't, when races are being lost in tight finishes.

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I wonder what R D Vance thinks about this excessive whip rule

He never missed a beat the length of the Flemington straight in the 93 MC on Te Akau Nick I think 52 consecutive strikes?

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19 hours ago, Hesi said:

But what are the penalties if that is exceeded?

It's a situation that can never work, if half the racing fraternity adhere to the rules and the other half don't, when races are being lost in tight finishes.

I think, fines and suspensions,  same as here.      Penalty is the winning % though,  so significant, esp. when a suspension is added.

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21 hours ago, VC! said:

I wonder what R D Vance thinks about this excessive whip rule

He never missed a beat the length of the Flemington straight in the 93 MC on Te Akau Nick I think 52 consecutive strikes?

Maybe he would have won if the number was a lot less? 🙂

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I believe this issue will come to a head sometime soon.

At some stage there will be a protest and upheld when the win is a slender margin.

I was talking to my trainer who is also a friend and they stated that the new modern whips.....most jockeys don't leave a mark...however there are some who don't over use the whip that can still leave a mark....I am certain that at sometime quite soon they will be outlawed replaced with some sort of guiding device.

Just my opinion,

Cheers.

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Oddly Thomas on Channel Z sums it up, the days of the whip are over

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11 minutes ago, craigos1 said:

I believe this issue will come to a head sometime soon.

At some stage there will be a protest and upheld when the win is a slender margin.

I was talking to my trainer who is also a friend and they stated that the new modern whips.....most jockeys don't leave a mark...however there are some who don't over use the whip that can still leave a mark....I am certain that at sometime quite soon they will be outlawed replaced with some sort of guiding device.

Just my opinion,

Cheers.

Can you clarify what you mean Craig.

You mean a protest from the connections of a horse that was narrowly beaten, by another horse whereby the jockey broke the whip rules??

If that is what you mean, can you even protest on that basis?

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1 hour ago, Hesi said:

Can you clarify what you mean Craig.

You mean a protest from the connections of a horse that was narrowly beaten, by another horse whereby the jockey broke the whip rules??

If that is what you mean, can you even protest on that basis?

When the big money is up, it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Always has to be a test case to get the ball rolling , I can see it happening, and it will open up a pandoras box that one.

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On 1/20/2020 at 6:29 AM, mardigras said:

Maybe he would have won if the number was a lot less? 🙂

No doubt!🥺

It’s a well known fact most jockeys sing to their mounts especially over 2 miles, it helps the horse relax

When questioned several years later, “didn’t you sing to your mount Bobby”

”Off course I did can’t quite remember what it was, it was some old Devo classic”

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