Hesi Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 They were probably thinking of zoos when that bit went in, and probably did not even consider the racing situation and horses/greyhounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mardigras said: It's covered from my understanding. Primary industries, including food and beverage production and processing Any entity involved in the packaging, production and processing of food and beverage products, whether for domestic consumption or export Any entity involved in relevant support services, such as food safety and verification, inspection or associated laboratory services, food safety and biosecurity functions Any entity providing veterinary services Any entity whose closure would jeopardise the maintenance of animal health or welfare standards (including the short-term survival of a species) But to me, that should be done after taking all steps to remove as many horses as possible from stables to a point where the need for human interaction is minimised (i.e horse spelling). Only those horses that can't be homed elsewhere for the duration should be able to have the basic minimum contact to maintain the health and well being of the animal (as above). That may mean some training centres are required for the purpose of basic animal exercise (not training for race readiness). I don't think the intention is to provide a means to keep a horse trained to the point of race readiness is part of the requirement to maintain the animal health and welfare. Agree. Though it's still a bit vague. Edited March 23, 2020 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 From a racing resumption point of view, I don't see it being able to occur straight after restrictions are eased. Number of horses ready to race along with track maintenance etc would make that unlikely to me. I don't think preparation of track surfaces for racing is an essential service (not that we seem to be able to do that anyway - so they may be better without any work). The only consideration I would see there is any thing required to maintain health and safety aspects of the entity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, barryb said: Agree, I own 3 horses and none of them will be back racing or even in training before I am confident that its not going to be a temporary start up. I have spoken to a fair few owners in the last day and many of them are like me and will be assessing whether we even continue back after resumption. My honest feeling is the industry will be on its knees & wont start up again if this goes beyond 30 days, far too many people will be financially ruined and wont be betting, owning or breeding. Yep, money is going to be at an all time low for many people for likely, a long time. Let alone money for recreational activities such as gambling and owning racehorses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 4 hours ago, barryb said: Yep, I read over on another channel Mr Pitman talking about resumption etc and claiming hes positive etc, personally I think hes deluded. Firstly he wont hardly have any competition to run against as the vast majority will have horses grazing, no one will be paying bills and hes likely to have mega defaulters like any other business. Many of the service industries that support racing will have minimised staff and wont be able to just pick back up. Definitely deluded in the sense that he seems to consider training racehorses or maintaining training facilities for other than animal welfare to be an essential business. I thought he was smarter than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, barryb said: Agree, I own 3 horses and none of them will be back racing or even in training before I am confident that its not going to be a temporary start up. I have spoken to a fair few owners in the last day and many of them are like me and will be assessing whether we even continue back after resumption. My honest feeling is the industry will be on its knees & wont start up again if this goes beyond 30 days, far too many people will be financially ruined and wont be betting, owning or breeding. I don't think 30 days is realistic at all. Can't see us coming out of level 3 or 4 in the next 90 days. Haven't talked to many racehorse owners like you but have talked to dozens of health professionals in the last few days. Pretty much all concur. Edited March 24, 2020 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 It is time the NZ Herald with the Covid-19 situation well upon us, stopped parading it self as a paper of any note and dropped it's paywall. Well known papers around the world, USA Today, NY Times, The Guardian Australia, The Guardian, Sydney Morning Herald, Melbourne Age, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail, have either not had, or have dropped their paywall. Not the NZ Herald, with many Covid articles still on a pay basis, as well as crap like below ENTERTAINMENT Steve Braunias: Who knows what next week will bring on The Bachelorette 25 Mar, 2020 5:00am 3 minutes to read Are Hottie Lesina and Hottie Lily trying to avoid making a decision? By: Steve Braunias Senior Writer, NZ Herald steve.braunias@nzherald.co.nz@SteveBraunias COMMENT: Things right now are serious. Things right now are very serious, very serious indeed; things right now might even be described as tense, possibly even downright grim. Who knows what next week will bring? To continue reading this article and to support great journalism Subscribe now and get 50% off for the first 8 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 News Articles Racing MPI decision on "essential services" NZTR 25 March 2020 In light of the government’s announcement that the country will move to COVID-19 alert level 4 at midnight tonight (25 March) only “essential services” are permitted to operate. Our advice from the Ministry for Primary Industries confirms that training centres, training stables, agistment properties and stud farms where horses are in containment are considered essential services under animal welfare considerations. Businesses with more than five people (including the owner) working at each business site, or who cannot achieve social distancing between staff, are required to register. The criteria and registration form can be found here. The businesses will need to answer 11 questions to provide assurance they have a plan and process to manage infection risks. Much of this will be covered in the NZTR protocols which will be distributed later today. In addition to this NZTR, the NZ Trainers’ Association and the NZ Thoroughbred Breeders’ Association will be providing a template to assist with completing the paperwork in a further communication later today. MPI has requested that all businesses which need to register do so by 5pm on Friday, 27 March 2020. Businesses will be able to continue operating while going through the registration process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 What the hell does that mean where horses are in containment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I think it's too unrestrictive. Heaps of non-essential business could meet that criteria and not be able to continue working - and neither should they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Hesi said: It is time the NZ Herald with the Covid-19 situation well upon us, stopped parading it self as a paper of any note and dropped it's paywall. Well known papers around the world, USA Today, NY Times, The Guardian Australia, The Guardian, Sydney Morning Herald, Melbourne Age, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail, have either not had, or have dropped their paywall. Not the NZ Herald, with many Covid articles still on a pay basis, as well as crap like below ENTERTAINMENT Steve Braunias: Who knows what next week will bring on The Bachelorette 25 Mar, 2020 5:00am 3 minutes to read Are Hottie Lesina and Hottie Lily trying to avoid making a decision? By: Steve Braunias Senior Writer, NZ Herald steve.braunias@nzherald.co.nz@SteveBraunias COMMENT: Things right now are serious. Things right now are very serious, very serious indeed; things right now might even be described as tense, possibly even downright grim. Who knows what next week will bring? To continue reading this article and to support great journalism Subscribe now and get 50% off for the first 8 weeks well if a paywall has to be paid off/out to read about The Bachelorette, things are not just serious, they are out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) Likely the beginning of the end. Why even bother to have continued this long. Participant being tested, racing suspended Vic until Friday. Also stopped NSW. Ascot off due to possible link as well. And I see Launceston tonight called off, although supposedly track concerns. Edited March 25, 2020 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The Warehouse Group is paying its 12,000 staff members in full after they were stood down due to the enforced coronavirus lockdown in New Zealand. The Warehouse, Warehouse Stationery, Torpedo7, Noel Leeming, 1-day and TheMarket are all brands of The Warehouse Group (TWG). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Pretty impressive, also as I understand, many of these 'better' companies want to keep staff, who they have built up over the years. Would certainly make me think a lot harder about where I shopped, when this is all over....loyalty to staff is a biggie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 51 minutes ago, mardigras said: Likely the beginning of the end. Why even bother to have continued this long. Participant being tested, racing suspended Vic until Friday. Also stopped NSW. Ascot off due to possible link as well. And I see Launceston tonight called off, although supposedly track concerns. Probably history. Continuing this long a very bad call imo. They will pay a price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Caller Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 When racing around the world does begin after a 3+ month layoff, do we all wipe the betting slate clean and all start with new BPs?Surely! For example, 3yr olds become 4yr olds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 8 hours ago, Midnight Caller said: When racing around the world does begin after a 3+ month layoff, do we all wipe the betting slate clean and all start with new BPs?Surely! For example, 3yr olds become 4yr olds I guess they'll all have fresh legs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Caller Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, mardigras said: I guess they'll all have fresh legs? Does this come under a new column in the BP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Midnight Caller said: Does this come under a new column in the BP? Yep, the ignore column. Although I think he refers to it in regards horses with fewer starts, not fresh up horses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Caller Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, mardigras said: Yep, the ignore column. Although I think he refers to it in regards horses with fewer starts, not fresh up horses. I like the idea of the fresh legs title!Winners galore in the first week back racing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForValue Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) Two teams of infectious disease researchers in Italy say they have further analyzed the SARS-CoV-2 genome from samples acquired locally to generate early data that reveal a level of genetic variability suggesting the rapidly spreading virus's genome is stable. The findings, developed using a new next-generation sequencing (NGS) research assay from Thermo Fisher Scientific, increase the likelihood that future coronavirus vaccines can have a higher rate of effectiveness and could help the global scientific community's effort to better understand the epidemiology and spread of COVID-19. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/italian-researchers-identify-new-sars-cov-2-gene-variants-that-provide-clues-to-coronaviruss-epidemiology-301029331.html?fbclid=IwAR03g8DYzwHO-41sWKH-OB0MFiohN-TLOdkWeKhBiLRkr5-WK_q4ODEE2CY Edited March 25, 2020 by LookingForValue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) My wife and son both work in '''essential businesses so the reality is that i am no safer in self isolation than anybody else. They both come home every day thereby exposeing me to whoever they have made contact with thru the day. It will be interesting to see if the Govt or the businesses concerned compensate them for taking the risk. Edited March 25, 2020 by ngakonui grass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 6:28 PM, curious said: Definitely deluded in the sense that he seems to consider training racehorses or maintaining training facilities for other than animal welfare to be an essential business. I thought he was smarter than that. The managment of our local club appear to be no smarter either. While I appreciate immensely the facility to keep a horse exercised while his leg wound is dressed twice daily, that does not imply that he is being 'readied' for the races. He has a mate to keep him company, and two other mares which only came in recently are exercising quietly as well. The agistment facilities I use have no spare room for these two, given that I have put aside everything else. The big N.I stables have, in most cases, either their own properties [ Te Akau ] or access to specialised agistment facilities. These, of course, would have 'necessary' dispensation I've no doubt. But locally, apart [ again] from those who have their own properties, the rest of the trainers have horses that they must look after because there is simply nowhere suitable to put them all. Treadmills and walkers are not available to most. If the 'chute' and pony club had been retained, instead of being flogged off for housing, there would have been a perfect facility for exercise and the track could have been appropriately closed. That option, with typical foresight, has gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 6:35 PM, curious said: I don't think 30 days is realistic at all. Can't see us coming out of level 3 or 4 in the next 90 days. Haven't talked to many racehorse owners like you but have talked to dozens of health professionals in the last few days. Pretty much all concur. No, no, you're all quite wrong. Our management thinks it will all be sorted in a couple of weeks then it will be B.A.U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Freda said: No, no, you're all quite wrong. Our management thinks it will all be sorted in a couple of weeks then it will be B.A.U. Which management? Sounded from the interview with Saundry I saw yesterday they are thinking at least 6 months. Even if the level 4 only lasts 8-12 weeks it will surely take that again to have enough fit horses and riders to run races again won't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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