pete Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 https://i.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/300051443/whats-the-best-future-use-of-new-plymouth-raceway-land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Fair questions I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I'd agree. A pretty soft ride for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whyisit Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) One wonders how the powers to be rationalise foreclosing Stratford and Hawera to support this Club that has no land and with a great chance of being given the movealong at the next council meeting. The club have had the luxury of being able to absorb the assets of the past Opunake Club and still cant show much profit in the last seven or so seasons .Yet Carey Hobbs and the powers to be promotes the club as in the top seven Racing Clubs. If they cant get option one they might as well close up and move to Hawera or Straford .Costs especially market rent will kill them and you can see why Hawera and Stratford dont want a bar of soap with the whole issue Edited July 8, 2020 by whyisit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Beats me Why would Messara, based I presume on the NZTR Venue Plan, recommend centralisation at a course that is not only leased, but a tenuous lease. Hawera is 80% freehold, why would they not centralise there, or all Taranaki clubs get together to develop a new facility. Sounds like more of the parochialism that goes on with the Auckland clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Hesi said: Beats me Why would Messara, based I presume on the NZTR Venue Plan, recommend centralisation at a course that is not only leased, but a tenuous lease. Hawera is 80% freehold, why would they not centralise there, or all Taranaki clubs get together to develop a new facility. Sounds like more of the parochialism that goes on with the Auckland clubs Because the freehold tracks can be capitalized now theft of assets is legal. I'd be surprised if any more work was done on asset retention other than to identify which are freehold and available, as opposed to those which aren't. Same reason Kumara will never be under threat ( apart from being denied a permit ) because it is a worthless, leased piece of swamp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/8/2020 at 9:00 PM, barryb said: Agree it is a soft ride, however the claim of 300 members is a bit of a crock, what about the people like me of whom there are many who travel to New Plymouth to watch races 2-4 times a yr, stay 1-3 nights each time at the waterfront hotel, but 3 meals each day all dined out, family look at shops and buy heaps at mall etc, Get rid of the course and I won’t be going back, will have little reason too. It’s an isolated venue and is treated by many Northern owners like me as a weekend away or Xmas racing destination, be careful what you wish for New Plymouth. Would you not travel from New Plymouth if they moved the meeting to Stratford or even Hawera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) ...and the legal definition of 'in perpetuity' is??? did that agreement have any clause(s) stating the agreement is null and void when the entity changes its name? One thing is apparent - the Naki don't need more than one racecourse or Club to service its 21st-century population. Adapt or die. Edited July 9, 2020 by Maximus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whyisit Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, barryb said: Nope Stratford is a dump & Hawera is another hour away from the Waikato. Tis really only a half an hour for moo loo boys to go to Hawera Stratford no worry for you hasn’t had a Raceday for two years Edited July 9, 2020 by whyisit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whyisit Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 & 2 hours ago, Maximus said: ...and the legal definition of 'in perpetuity' is??? did that agreement have any clause(s) stating the agreement is null and void when the entity changes its name? One thing is apparent - the Naki don't need more than one racecourse or Club to service its 21st-century population. Adapt or die. If the public and council opt for market rent it will kill racing at New Plymouth. A preview of the submission had no lease the clear leader Guess that it’s why Saundry and Co were all out to get their hands on Stratford and Hawera to fund a dying cause in New Plymouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Wouldn't be the only sport to collapse if they had to pay market rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 The whole handling of restructuring of the racing industry as per Messara, has been the usual incompetent circus. Messara states quite specifically that unless Reco 7, the outsourcing of the TAB is done as a priority, then the other 16 recos are an exercise in futility A sustainable industry that pays it's way was always the number one priority. They have not even put out a balance sheet for 20/21 that shows they can be sustainable I think it has become quite clear, that this land grab money will never be used for upgrading infrastructure, but to bail out the industry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Over 50 per cent of survey respondents want New Plymouth racing lease to end 21 Jul, 2020 3:26pm 2 minutes to read More than half of the survey respondents want the racing group's lease to end. Photo / Supplied By: Ilona Hanne Ilona Hanne is editor of the Stratford Press ilona.hanne@nzme.co.nzStratford_Press A survey on the future of New Plymouth's Raceway attracted more than 2850 responses, of which 51 per cent said they wanted the lease to end. Last year, Taranaki Racing Incorporated asked the New Plymouth District Council (NPDC) for a "forever" or perpetual lease for the site after a legal issue meant it was in question. While horse racing has taken place at the 38ha central-city site for more than a century, the council says the previous lease was voided about 20 years ago after the leaseholder, the Taranaki Jockey Club, changed its name to Taranaki Racing Incorporated. The council says because Taranaki Racing Incorporated changed its name and structure, the original lease - which gave the group a perpetual, rent-free lease in 1959 - was no longer valid. The original lease included control of the buildings, the track itself and the majority of the land. Taranaki Racing has a legal opinion which disputes the view that the lease is no longer valid. To help inform their decision-making on the lease issue, the mayor and councillors voted last year to go out to the public to get their views on the various lease options. Of the more than 2800 people to respond to the survey, 51 per cent said they wanted the lease to end, while 25 per cent said they wanted a perpetual lease to be given. A further 15 per cent were in favour of the option of a three- to five-year lease being granted, while 9 per cent favoured a lease of up to 30 years. With the survey results now in, the next step will involve the mayor and councillors analysing the results of this survey and the Government's racing reforms in the coming months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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