Todd Muller GONE

[Globederby19]

4 hours ago, mardigras said:

It seems odd to me that for NZ, a lot of importance placed on something that makes very little difference to the lives of people in NZ. Most NZ governments make very few policy changes that have an impact to them. I see the election as more bragging rights. 

I'd go so far as to say, whoever wins the next election, will have 0% impact on me (and most people I know), and very little impact on most here. They just tweak this and that, without actually doing anything. That's what politicians do - especially in the NZ political sphere. It's just another race - like the next from Ascot Park, and equally whoever wins that will have as much impact on people's lives - imo.

Quite right Mardi. In the words of Jordan Peterson they all achieve "normative incompetence', no matter the shade in power.

 

[ngakonui grass]

On 7/16/2020 at 9:51 AM, Porky said:

 

 

I have always been a worker ...so vote Labour regardless of the leader, whereas my brother owns his own business, and like the old man, probably vote National

Mardigras regardless of what Party you are , around the world,  money has been thrown like Confetti ," it has had to be" to save lives and economies ...I think a pretty standard answer like this, would be her quick reply...Winston wouldn't even bother answering ...He would just walk away , shaking his head. 

Good point Hesi ! ...Winnie held the balance of power at the last election...BUT she'll be a "Landslide" this time and he wont be needed.

(will he take the opportunity and retire ?...who will the next Racing Minister be?)

Jacinda has done a good job on most internal political issues, and, if she couldn't answer Media questions quickly, or honestly, around Covid issues 

(like Anne Hegerty off "The Chase" )..., she would turn to her Health sidekick,  who made "the Beast" look like a hairy legged school boy.  

 

Never understood why it is assumed that a ""worker""will vote for Labour and a ""Business man"" for National .

Surely you cannot vote for the same party all your voting life because of your occupation.

[brown fox]

Bit like the U.S. Cant see one politician I really like.Seems Worldwide the people who would make good leaders don't want a bar of the job.

[Freda]

I can think of a couple who would make a terrific job of sorting Rita/Tab and Nztr....but they wouldn't want a bar of that either.

[Hesi]

30 minutes ago, Freda said:

I can think of a couple who would make a terrific job of sorting Rita/Tab and Nztr....but they wouldn't want a bar of that either.

Good on you Freda, I'm so pleased you think so highly of Jacinda.  It'll give you and Barry something to talk about around the kitchen table next time he visits, with his whitebait fritters.

At least there would be exemplary communication.  I note NZTR have not put out an Annual report since 17/18, and stopped those weekly bulletins, with weekly meeting and cumulative data, about 3 years ago

[craigos1]

9 hours ago, ngakonui grass said:

Never understood why it is assumed that a ""worker""will vote for Labour and a ""Business man"" for National .

Surely you cannot vote for the same party all your voting life because of your occupation.

Well I've always worked!

and I will NEVER EVER Vote National.........................they represent everything I don't.

The End.

[craigos1]

You got it in one Barry

Sorry to interupt you....................you better get back to your Modern RAP Music

[craigos1]

It amazes me how the Right Wing bunch always have to strive how the left are a bunch of left wing loonies.

 

You can have your opinion but believe me Sir BB I am no loon.

I am a believer of compulsory unionism/retirement so I guess to you I am a Nut!

[craigos1]

2 minutes ago, barryb said:

BTW Craig, the best Labour member ever was Roger Douglas, followed closely by Richard Prebble.

I have there books displayed pride of place in my Library.

Funnily enough I'd rate them the worst.

[craigos1]

The 2nd person you mentioned Barry I will not even mention or type his name.

[craigos1]

Sorry Barry for my delay in replying Rural Broadband in the Whop Whops at times is challenging.....................Yes you are correct David was my bestie.

Jacinda I'm a big fan considering I was vocal (quite vocal) that Grant Robertson should lead Labour Party.

Anyway yesterday my Te Tai Tonga info pack arrived so all is good.

[craigos1]

Otago Peninsula (Near Taiaroa Head)

[mardigras]

12 hours ago, craigos1 said:

Well I've always worked!

and I will NEVER EVER Vote National.........................they represent everything I don't.

The End.

They practically represent the same things as Labour do these days. Neither are vastly different. For me, Labour's main difference and a serious issue for me, is they are too focused on social welfare. And the programs they put in place to support that are useless, with no accountability from those in receipt of the largess. However, National don't do anything to rectify that - so as I say, they are just a different flavour of vanilla.

Labour reminds me of the racing industry - RITA/NZRB- NZTR massive social welfare - no accountability.

Edited July 18, 2020 by mardigras

[Hesi]

As mentioned before on here, I have voted for the Nats for most of my voting life, but switched to Labour and Jacinda, last election.

Why, 2 reasons

1.  In the 12 month lead up to the last election, senior Nats(English, Smith were 2), were scoffing at the commentary at the time, that we had a housing crisis.

2.  Bill English discovered there was child poverty in NZ in the second televised debate, a real sucker punch from Ardern

Now, I don't take too much note of the bs propaganda in the NZ news media, that suggests Labour has not made much progress with either of these issues, and I haven't had time to do my own research, but they are both huge issues, that have come about through years of inaction by both flavoured governments.

While I agree with the principle of not getting carried away with handouts, but giving people the tools to fend for themselves, we had and still have a situation in NZ of the widening gap between the have and have nots, and I'm not talking about beneficiaries, but the middle/lower class of society.  You know, the people that make the wheels turn, the truck drivers, supermarket workers etc etc, those working in manufacturing, generally what you might call the semi-skilled people(we can't all be skilled, someone has to do the menial work).

The Nats in their 9 years, had not addressed this(as per 1 and 2 above), and I felt the balance needed to be shifted a bit towards the 50% or so of NZ'ers who fitted into what I have said above.  Those family units that were working hard, 2 people, in say 2 jobs, just to stand still.

Peters statement, rang true for me, when he said in Oct 2017(I still don't like him though)

"Far too many New Zealanders have come to view today's capitalism, not as their friend, but as their foe."

The Nats look like with the rah rah rah rhetoric of Collins, will pick up well in the polls, but they are a ticking time bomb, just look at the potential divisions in that top dozen.  Swallowing dead rats doesn't go down that well.  If there is a bad poll or a poor election result, then they will implode

[pete]

You've already lost the argument when you start quoting Winston Peters.

Capitalism isn't perfect but the alternative being peddled by Labour and the Greens has been proven time and time again to be a total failure.

Also a little surprised that you're happy to trot out opinions about Ardern's aspirations on child poverty without doing any research.

Here you go:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/new-child-poverty-data-for-new-zealand-shows-no-significant-change-in-material-hardship.html

 

[pete]

And what exactly has been done about the housing 'crisis'?

A big fat zip as you well know so don't try and dismiss the facts about these two issues as bs propaganda. That's just lazy mate.

[mardigras]

35 minutes ago, Hesi said:

While I agree with the principle of not getting carried away with handouts, but giving people the tools to fend for themselves, we had and still have a situation in NZ of the widening gap between the have and have nots, and I'm not talking about beneficiaries, but the middle/lower class of society.  You know, the people that make the wheels turn, the truck drivers, supermarket workers etc etc, those working in manufacturing, generally what you might call the semi-skilled people(we can't all be skilled, someone has to do the menial work).

The gap between the have's and the have not's is increasing - but being a reasonably socialist country (with a blend of capitalism), that gap could be somewhat alleviated (it won't be addressed and shouldn't be), whilst at the same time reducing the social welfare aspect across the board.

The people creating the have's are the ones prepared to take the greatest risks. But in saying that, I believe that due to the way the labour market works, they are not being fairly rewarded at other levels for the contribution they make to that wealth.

I would increase the minimum wage since there isn't a job in NZ worth as little as what the level is currently - and the reason they get paid so little is because the labour forces allow it in order for people at that level to get employment. By lifting the minimums, over time, the compensation for higher skilled workers will align with an increase as well - to be rewarded more in line with contribution to wealth (but allowing for the lower risk element).

And by increasing that cost to employers, I would reduce the national cost of taxes required to service the level of social welfare. Add accountability around people that are unemployed. Increase the separation between what is a minimum wage and what a person on the unemployment benefit gets also.

Imo, they should be looking to improve the outcomes for those that are working, and make no mistake, the vast majority of business owner can afford it, no matter what they claim, especially if you reduced taxes they would otherwise pay. 

Without those willing to take the risks and invest in the country, you would otherwise get the situation where those types of people leave the country at a greater rate than the rest. Which is a poor outcome for NZ. So you still need to create opportunity for the risk takers, otherwise maybe we should give full on communism a go. That seems to be Craigos1 style.

Edited July 18, 2020 by mardigras

[pete]

Another little gem for you Hesi from a left wing news source:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122149832/government-sells-30m-worth-of-state-houses-after-labour-promised-to-stop-sales