Maximus Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Wondering if this season's crop is much chop? Yes, Aegon is unbeaten but I can't say these boys or girls excite me much. What do other people think? MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForValue Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Maximus said: Wondering if this season's crop is much chop? Yes, Aegon is unbeaten but I can't say these boys or girls excite me much. What do other people think? MM Best after Xmas 🤫 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Maximus said: Wondering if this season's crop is much chop? Yes, Aegon is unbeaten but I can't say these boys or girls excite me much. What do other people think? MM Bit harsh mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 When was the last time we produced a decent, class 3 year old.........Veandercoss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hesi said: When was the last time we produced a decent, class 3 year old.........Veandercoss? Bit early on the turps today? Are you seriously suggesting we haven't had a class 3 year old since Veandercross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Xcellent Sacred Falls to name 2. Heaps more as well. I'll be nice and won't call you a troll! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Veandercross 1991-92 At THREE YEARS : 12 starts 4 wins 6 seconds 1 third; 2ND of 8 24Aug91 Wanganui $30,604 Wanganui Guineas 1320m Listed Heavy Jim Walker 55.5kg WON of 14 21Sep91 Hastings $26,779 Okawa Guineas 1400m Listed Good Jim Walker 55kg 1:22.01 2ND of 8 05Oct91 Otaki $9,181 3YO-Set Weights 1400m Soft Jim Walker 55.5kg 0.5L 2ND of 15 26Oct91 Trentham $45,907 Wellington Guineas 1600m Group 2 Soft Jim Walker 55.5kg 1st Solvit (NZ) 55.5kg, 3rd Lord Majestic (NZ) 55.5kg 1:37.16, 0.1L WON of 12 13Nov91 Riccarton $107,116 NZ Two Thousand Guineas 1600m Group 1 Good Jim Walker 55.5kg 1:35.8 WON of 16 27Nov91 Otaki $148,202 Bayer (Levin) Classic 1600m Good Group 1 Jim Walker 55.5kg 01:34.4 3RD of 14 14Dec91 Avondale $30,604 Avondale Guineas 2000m Group 2 Good Jim Walker 55.5kg 1st Ligeiro (NZ) 55.5kg, 2nd Mr. Trevino (NZ) 55.5kg 2:03.02, 0.6L 2ND of 16 26Dec91 Ellerslie $191,278 NZ Derby 2400m Group 1 Good Jim Walker 55.5kg 3rd Te Akau Nick (NZ) 55.5kg 0:00.00, 0.1L 4th of 14 12Mar92 Gosford $101,025 Gosford Guineas 1600m Listed Firm2 Jim Walker 57kg 1st Cobbora (NZ) 50.5kg, 2nd Maamur 51kg 1:36.23, 3.4L 7-1 WON of 14 21Mar92 Canterbury $303,360 Canterbury Guineas 1900m Group 1 Firm2 Jim Walker 55.5kg 2nd Naturalism (NZ) 55.5kg, 3rd Big Dreams 55.5kg 1:55.06, 1.3L 7-1 2ND of 16 04Apr92 Rosehill $403,360 Rosehill Guineas 2000m Soft5 Group 1 Jim Walker 55.5kg1st Naturalism (NZ) 55.5kg, 3rd Skylock (NZ) 55.5kg 2:05.05, 0.2L 15-8 2ND of 15 18Apr92 Randwickwick $1,108,920 AJC Derby2400m Group 1 Good3 Jim Walker 55.5kg 1st Naturalism (NZ) 55.5kg 2:31.20, 0.8L 10-9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 What does that prove? He was a high class 3 year old but so were many others after him. I don't get your reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I think Surfers Paradise had a vastly superior 3 year old record. At two and three, he won 10 of his 13 starts, including the New Zealand 2000 Guineas, the New Zealand Derby, the Air New Zealand Stakes, and the Rosehill Guineas, but finished sixth, as 10/9 favourite (approximately $2.10), in the AJC Derby when attempting to win his ninth race in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Then at 4 years Veandercross went on to prove that he was all class 1992-93 AT FOUR YEARS : 12 starts 8 wins 2 seconds 2 thirds WON of 12 29Aug92 Wanganui $42,903 Central Stakes Group 3 1600m Heavy Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Lord Regent (NZ) 58.5kg 1:47.20, 1.5L 3RD of 8 19Sep92 New Plymouth $42,903 Mason Stakes Group 2 2000m Heavy Jim Walker 57kg 5.8L WON of 9 03Oct92 Hastings $53,629 Kelt Capital Stakes 2000m Soft Group 3 Jim Walker 57kg 3rd Castletown (NZ) 59kg 2:09.81 2ND of 18 17Oct92 Caulfield $1,003,000 Caulfield Cup Group 1 2400m Soft7 Shane Dye 55kg 1st Mannerism 54.5kg 2:34.90, 0.1L, 3-1/5-2 WON of 12 31Oct92 Flemington $301,000 LKS Mackinnon Stakes Group 1 2000m Soft7 Shane Dye 57kg Barrier 3 2nd Rough Habit (NZ) 59kg 2:04.90, 0.8L, 2-1/6-4/2-1 2ND of 21 03Nov92 Flemington $2,035,000 Melbourne Cup Group 1 3200m Soft7 ]Shane Dye 54.5kg 1st Subzero 54.5kg, 3rd Castletown (NZ) 57kg 3:24.70, 1.8L, 2-1/9-4 WON of 12 14Feb93 TE R $74,405 Lion Brown Sprint Group 1 1400m Good Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Javelin (NZ) 57.5kg, 3rd Rough Habit (NZ) 57.5kg 1:22.08, 2L WON of 10 28Feb93 Caulfield $101,000 Carlyon Cup Group 2 2000m Good3 Mick Dittman 58.5kg 3rd Springhill Lad (NZ) 49.5kg 2:01.50, 1-3/2-5/4-11 WON of 9 08Mar93 Flemington $655,000 Australian Cup Group 1 2000m Good3 Mick Dittman 57kg 2nd Star of the Realm 57kg, 3rd Fraar (USA) 58kg 2:01.30, 1.5L, 1-2/4-11 WON of 8 20Mar93 Rosehill $303,608 Ranvet Stakes Group 1 2000m Good3 Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Naturalism (NZ) 57kg, 3rd Mahaya (NZ) 52kg 2:01.61, 1.3L, 9-10/4-5 3RD of 12 03Apr93 Rosehill $1,021,108 BMW Stakes Group 1 2400m Firm2 Jim Walker 57kg 1st Kaaptive Edition (NZ) 52.5kg, 2nd Rough Habit (NZ) 58.5kg 2:27.13R, 2.3L 2-5 WON of 4 12Apr93 Randwick $198,160 Queen Elizabeth Stakes Group 1 2000m Good3 Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Durbridge 58kg, 3rd Rough Habit (NZ) 58kg 2:01.70, 1.3L, 8-11/4-5/8-11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, pete said: What does that prove? He was a high class 3 year old but so were many others after him. I don't get your reasoning. Neither do I, it's raining outside, and I've got cabinfever 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hesi said: Then at 4 years Veandercross went on to prove that he was all class 1992-93 AT FOUR YEARS : 12 starts 8 wins 2 seconds 2 thirds WON of 12 29Aug92 Wanganui $42,903 Central Stakes Group 3 1600m Heavy Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Lord Regent (NZ) 58.5kg 1:47.20, 1.5L 3RD of 8 19Sep92 New Plymouth $42,903 Mason Stakes Group 2 2000m Heavy Jim Walker 57kg 5.8L WON of 9 03Oct92 Hastings $53,629 Kelt Capital Stakes 2000m Soft Group 3 Jim Walker 57kg 3rd Castletown (NZ) 59kg 2:09.81 2ND of 18 17Oct92 Caulfield $1,003,000 Caulfield Cup Group 1 2400m Soft7 Shane Dye 55kg 1st Mannerism 54.5kg 2:34.90, 0.1L, 3-1/5-2 WON of 12 31Oct92 Flemington $301,000 LKS Mackinnon Stakes Group 1 2000m Soft7 Shane Dye 57kg Barrier 3 2nd Rough Habit (NZ) 59kg 2:04.90, 0.8L, 2-1/6-4/2-1 2ND of 21 03Nov92 Flemington $2,035,000 Melbourne Cup Group 1 3200m Soft7 ]Shane Dye 54.5kg 1st Subzero 54.5kg, 3rd Castletown (NZ) 57kg 3:24.70, 1.8L, 2-1/9-4 WON of 12 14Feb93 TE R $74,405 Lion Brown Sprint Group 1 1400m Good Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Javelin (NZ) 57.5kg, 3rd Rough Habit (NZ) 57.5kg 1:22.08, 2L WON of 10 28Feb93 Caulfield $101,000 Carlyon Cup Group 2 2000m Good3 Mick Dittman 58.5kg 3rd Springhill Lad (NZ) 49.5kg 2:01.50, 1-3/2-5/4-11 WON of 9 08Mar93 Flemington $655,000 Australian Cup Group 1 2000m Good3 Mick Dittman 57kg 2nd Star of the Realm 57kg, 3rd Fraar (USA) 58kg 2:01.30, 1.5L, 1-2/4-11 WON of 8 20Mar93 Rosehill $303,608 Ranvet Stakes Group 1 2000m Good3 Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Naturalism (NZ) 57kg, 3rd Mahaya (NZ) 52kg 2:01.61, 1.3L, 9-10/4-5 3RD of 12 03Apr93 Rosehill $1,021,108 BMW Stakes Group 1 2400m Firm2 Jim Walker 57kg 1st Kaaptive Edition (NZ) 52.5kg, 2nd Rough Habit (NZ) 58.5kg 2:27.13R, 2.3L 2-5 WON of 4 12Apr93 Randwick $198,160 Queen Elizabeth Stakes Group 1 2000m Good3 Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Durbridge 58kg, 3rd Rough Habit (NZ) 58kg 2:01.70, 1.3L, 8-11/4-5/8-11 We were talking about 3 year olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 28 minutes ago, Say No More said: Sunline wasn't a bad 3yo!? She won three Group races in Sydney in the spring including the group 1 Flight Stakes and then another three group races in Melbourne/Sydney in the autumn including the Doncaster. Don't tell Pete, he'll be on my back again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Really said: Bit hard to turn down the money that HK owners are prepared to pay for quality 3 year old colts or geldings, understand Bourbanaire gone there for well over $1million I note, still nominated for and $7 fave for the Levin Classic in mid Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hesi said: Don't tell Pete, he'll be on my back again Doesn't Mongolian Khan rate - went one better than Veandercross by winning the Caulfield Cup as a 4yo after winning two Derbies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Well changing it around, top 5 thoroughbreds to come out of NZ since 1970 Just trying to stimulate a bit of discussion I note the Swedes are starting to show dissention towards the state epidemiologist and the idea of herd immumity Lucky we didn't listen to the expert know it alls in NZ about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hesi said: Well changing it around, top 5 thoroughbreds to come out of NZ since 1970 Just trying to stimulate a bit of discussion I note the Swedes are starting to show dissention towards the state epidemiologist and the idea of herd immumity Lucky we didn't listen to the expert know it alls in NZ about this You need to focus. Not sure what Covid in Sweden has anything to do with the current discussion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Just put up your 5 horses and stop being obtuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I specifically said 1970, so you could put in Fury's Order, if you can remember back that far with all the wine you drink NZ Derby, NZ Cup, Cox Plate.........that will never happen again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Hesi said: I specifically said 1970, so you could put in Fury's Order, if you can remember back that far with all the wine you drink NZ Derby, NZ Cup, Cox Plate.........that will never happen again You forgot to mention Wally McEwan and Brent Thomson. Edited November 29, 2020 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Hesi said: I specifically said 1970, so you could put in Fury's Order, if you can remember back that far with all the wine you drink NZ Derby, NZ Cup, Cox Plate.........that will never happen again Max loved that horse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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