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5 minutes ago, Hesi said:

When was the last time we produced a decent, class 3 year old.........Veandercoss?

Bit early on the turps today?

Are you seriously suggesting we haven't had a class 3 year old since Veandercross?

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Veandercross

1991-92 At THREE YEARS : 12 starts 4 wins 6 seconds 1 third;

2ND of 8

24Aug91  Wanganui $30,604 Wanganui Guineas 1320m Listed Heavy  Jim Walker 55.5kg

WON of 14

21Sep91 Hastings  $26,779 Okawa Guineas 1400m Listed  Good Jim Walker 55kg   1:22.01

2ND of 8

05Oct91 Otaki  $9,181 3YO-Set Weights 1400m Soft Jim Walker 55.5kg  0.5L

2ND of 15

26Oct91 Trentham $45,907 Wellington Guineas 1600m Group 2  Soft  Jim Walker 55.5kg  1st Solvit (NZ) 55.5kg, 3rd Lord Majestic (NZ) 55.5kg 1:37.16, 0.1L

WON of 12

13Nov91 Riccarton $107,116  NZ Two Thousand Guineas 1600m Group 1 Good  Jim Walker 55.5kg  1:35.8

WON of 16

27Nov91 Otaki  $148,202 Bayer (Levin) Classic 1600m Good Group 1  Jim Walker 55.5kg  01:34.4

3RD of 14

14Dec91 Avondale $30,604  Avondale Guineas 2000m Group 2 Good Jim Walker 55.5kg  1st Ligeiro (NZ) 55.5kg, 2nd Mr. Trevino (NZ) 55.5kg 2:03.02, 0.6L

2ND of 16

26Dec91 Ellerslie $191,278 NZ Derby 2400m  Group 1 Good  Jim Walker 55.5kg  3rd Te Akau Nick (NZ) 55.5kg 0:00.00, 0.1L

4th of 14

12Mar92 Gosford $101,025 Gosford Guineas  1600m Listed Firm2 Jim Walker 57kg 1st Cobbora (NZ) 50.5kg, 2nd Maamur 51kg 1:36.23, 3.4L 7-1

WON of 14

21Mar92 Canterbury $303,360 Canterbury Guineas 1900m Group 1 Firm2 Jim Walker 55.5kg  2nd Naturalism (NZ) 55.5kg, 3rd Big Dreams 55.5kg 1:55.06, 1.3L 7-1

2ND of 16

04Apr92 Rosehill $403,360  Rosehill Guineas  2000m Soft5 Group 1 Jim Walker 55.5kg1st Naturalism (NZ) 55.5kg, 3rd Skylock (NZ) 55.5kg 2:05.05, 0.2L 15-8

2ND of 15

18Apr92 Randwickwick $1,108,920 AJC Derby2400m  Group 1 Good3  Jim Walker 55.5kg  1st Naturalism (NZ) 55.5kg 2:31.20, 0.8L 10-9

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I think Surfers Paradise had a vastly superior 3 year old record.

At two and three, he won 10 of his 13 starts, including the New Zealand 2000 Guineas, the New Zealand Derby, the Air New Zealand Stakes, and the Rosehill Guineas, but finished sixth, as 10/9 favourite (approximately $2.10), in the AJC Derby when attempting to win his ninth race in a row.

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Then at 4 years Veandercross went on to prove that he was all class

1992-93 AT FOUR YEARS :  12 starts 8 wins 2 seconds 2 thirds

WON of 12

29Aug92 Wanganui  $42,903 Central Stakes  Group 3 1600m Heavy Jim Walker 57kg  2nd Lord Regent (NZ) 58.5kg 1:47.20, 1.5L

3RD of 8

19Sep92 New Plymouth  $42,903 Mason Stakes Group 2 2000m Heavy Jim Walker 57kg   5.8L

WON of 9

03Oct92 Hastings $53,629 Kelt Capital Stakes 2000m Soft Group 3 Jim Walker 57kg  3rd Castletown (NZ) 59kg 2:09.81

2ND of 18

17Oct92 Caulfield $1,003,000 Caulfield Cup Group 1 2400m Soft7 Shane Dye 55kg  1st Mannerism 54.5kg 2:34.90, 0.1L, 3-1/5-2

WON of 12

31Oct92 Flemington $301,000 LKS Mackinnon Stakes Group 1  2000m Soft7 Shane Dye 57kg Barrier 3 2nd Rough Habit (NZ) 59kg 2:04.90, 0.8L, 2-1/6-4/2-1

2ND of 21

03Nov92 Flemington $2,035,000 Melbourne Cup Group 1 3200m Soft7  ]Shane Dye 54.5kg  1st Subzero 54.5kg, 3rd Castletown (NZ) 57kg 3:24.70, 1.8L, 2-1/9-4

WON of 12

14Feb93 TE R $74,405 Lion Brown Sprint Group 1 1400m Good Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Javelin (NZ) 57.5kg, 3rd Rough Habit (NZ) 57.5kg 1:22.08, 2L

WON of 10

28Feb93 Caulfield $101,000 Carlyon Cup Group 2  2000m Good3 Mick Dittman 58.5kg  3rd Springhill Lad (NZ) 49.5kg 2:01.50, 1-3/2-5/4-11

WON of 9

08Mar93 Flemington $655,000 Australian Cup Group 1 2000m Good3  Mick Dittman 57kg 2nd Star of the Realm 57kg, 3rd Fraar (USA) 58kg 2:01.30, 1.5L, 1-2/4-11

WON of 8

20Mar93 Rosehill $303,608 Ranvet Stakes  Group 1 2000m Good3   Jim Walker 57kg  2nd Naturalism (NZ) 57kg, 3rd Mahaya (NZ) 52kg 2:01.61, 1.3L, 9-10/4-5

3RD of 12

03Apr93 Rosehill  $1,021,108 BMW Stakes Group 1 2400m Firm2  Jim Walker 57kg 1st Kaaptive Edition (NZ) 52.5kg, 2nd Rough Habit (NZ) 58.5kg 2:27.13R, 2.3L 2-5

WON of 4

12Apr93 Randwick $198,160 Queen Elizabeth Stakes Group 1 2000m Good3 Jim Walker 57kg  2nd Durbridge 58kg, 3rd Rough Habit (NZ) 58kg 2:01.70, 1.3L, 8-11/4-5/8-11

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13 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Then at 4 years Veandercross went on to prove that he was all class

1992-93 AT FOUR YEARS :  12 starts 8 wins 2 seconds 2 thirds

WON of 12

29Aug92 Wanganui  $42,903 Central Stakes  Group 3 1600m Heavy Jim Walker 57kg  2nd Lord Regent (NZ) 58.5kg 1:47.20, 1.5L

3RD of 8

19Sep92 New Plymouth  $42,903 Mason Stakes Group 2 2000m Heavy Jim Walker 57kg   5.8L

WON of 9

03Oct92 Hastings $53,629 Kelt Capital Stakes 2000m Soft Group 3 Jim Walker 57kg  3rd Castletown (NZ) 59kg 2:09.81

2ND of 18

17Oct92 Caulfield $1,003,000 Caulfield Cup Group 1 2400m Soft7 Shane Dye 55kg  1st Mannerism 54.5kg 2:34.90, 0.1L, 3-1/5-2

WON of 12

31Oct92 Flemington $301,000 LKS Mackinnon Stakes Group 1  2000m Soft7 Shane Dye 57kg Barrier 3 2nd Rough Habit (NZ) 59kg 2:04.90, 0.8L, 2-1/6-4/2-1

2ND of 21

03Nov92 Flemington $2,035,000 Melbourne Cup Group 1 3200m Soft7  ]Shane Dye 54.5kg  1st Subzero 54.5kg, 3rd Castletown (NZ) 57kg 3:24.70, 1.8L, 2-1/9-4

WON of 12

14Feb93 TE R $74,405 Lion Brown Sprint Group 1 1400m Good Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Javelin (NZ) 57.5kg, 3rd Rough Habit (NZ) 57.5kg 1:22.08, 2L

WON of 10

28Feb93 Caulfield $101,000 Carlyon Cup Group 2  2000m Good3 Mick Dittman 58.5kg  3rd Springhill Lad (NZ) 49.5kg 2:01.50, 1-3/2-5/4-11

WON of 9

08Mar93 Flemington $655,000 Australian Cup Group 1 2000m Good3  Mick Dittman 57kg 2nd Star of the Realm 57kg, 3rd Fraar (USA) 58kg 2:01.30, 1.5L, 1-2/4-11

WON of 8

20Mar93 Rosehill $303,608 Ranvet Stakes  Group 1 2000m Good3   Jim Walker 57kg  2nd Naturalism (NZ) 57kg, 3rd Mahaya (NZ) 52kg 2:01.61, 1.3L, 9-10/4-5

3RD of 12

03Apr93 Rosehill  $1,021,108 BMW Stakes Group 1 2400m Firm2  Jim Walker 57kg 1st Kaaptive Edition (NZ) 52.5kg, 2nd Rough Habit (NZ) 58.5kg 2:27.13R, 2.3L 2-5

WON of 4

12Apr93 Randwick $198,160 Queen Elizabeth Stakes Group 1 2000m Good3 Jim Walker 57kg  2nd Durbridge 58kg, 3rd Rough Habit (NZ) 58kg 2:01.70, 1.3L, 8-11/4-5/8-11

We were talking about 3 year olds.

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3 hours ago, Hesi said:

When was the last time we produced a decent, class 3 year old.........Veandercoss?

Sunline wasn't a bad 3yo!?

She won three Group races in Sydney in the spring including the group 1 Flight Stakes and then another three group races in Melbourne/Sydney in the autumn including the Doncaster.

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28 minutes ago, Say No More said:

Sunline wasn't a bad 3yo!?

She won three Group races in Sydney in the spring including the group 1 Flight Stakes and then another three group races in Melbourne/Sydney in the autumn including the Doncaster.

Don't tell Pete, he'll be on my back again

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1 hour ago, Really said:

Bit hard to turn down the money that HK owners are prepared to pay for quality 3 year old colts or geldings, understand Bourbanaire gone there for well over $1million

I note, still nominated for and $7 fave for the Levin Classic in mid Jan

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Well changing it around, top 5 thoroughbreds to come out of NZ since 1970

Just trying to stimulate a bit of discussion

I note the Swedes are starting to show dissention towards the state epidemiologist and the idea of herd immumity

Lucky we didn't listen to the expert know it alls in NZ about this

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17 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Well changing it around, top 5 thoroughbreds to come out of NZ since 1970

Just trying to stimulate a bit of discussion

I note the Swedes are starting to show dissention towards the state epidemiologist and the idea of herd immumity

Lucky we didn't listen to the expert know it alls in NZ about this

You need to focus. Not sure what Covid in Sweden has anything to do with the current discussion.

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25 minutes ago, Hesi said:

I specifically said 1970, so you could put in Fury's Order, if you can remember back that far with all the wine you drink

NZ Derby, NZ Cup, Cox Plate.........that will never happen again

You forgot to mention Wally McEwan and Brent Thomson.

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