Mid-week trivia

[PWJ]

Just now, Double R said:

I can't recall the horse he rode, but the initials prodded my memory.

On the Stewards Handicap. There was a horse at Wingatui called Shewetta, and she is the fastest horse I have ever seen out of the barrier. She was a little steel grey, and I am sure she won the Stewards.

Oh, the memories come back.

Not Shewetta but I remember her. She won 14 including a Stewards (1969) beating Sharif and was by the speedy grey stallion Byland who was bred by the great Noel Murless and stood at Elderslie Stud, Putaruru (home of the best sausages !!)

[PWJ]

1 minute ago, PWJ said:

Not Shewetta but I remember her. She won 14 including a Stewards (1969) beating Sharif and was by the speedy grey stallion Byland who was bred by the great Noel Murless and stood at Elderslie Stud, Putaruru (home of the best sausages !!)

Byland also sired other good speedsters Crown Law (later a stallion), High Glee, the good miler Bywon and curiously the excellent staying mare Trial Offer (out of a Balloch mare) not to mention one of my old favourites Blue Nile (who won 22 races). They were iron horses in those days.

[Double R]

2 minutes ago, PWJ said:

Byland also sired other good speedsters Crown Law (later a stallion), High Glee, the good miler Bywon and curiously the excellent staying mare Trial Offer (out of a Balloch mare) not to mention one of my old favourites Blue Nile (who won 22 races). They were iron horses in those days.

Interestingly, I think from memory Crown Law stood at a little stud out of Palmerston South, at one stage.

[PWJ]

2 minutes ago, Double R said:

Interestingly, I think from memory Crown Law stood at a little stud out of Palmerston South, at one stage.

I know he did a stint in the Wairarapa at one time also. Was a rotten sire but then his mares were probably shit

[Double R]

2 minutes ago, PWJ said:

I know he did a stint in the Wairarapa at one time also. Was a rotten sire but then his mares were probably shit

He was a very useful racehorse in his day, I can recall.

[Dancing Show]

I'll have a stab at Courier Flight with Ali on board?

 

[VC!]

14 minutes ago, Dancing Show said:

I'll have a stab at Courier Flight with Ali on board?

 

Muhammad 🥊 

[von Smallhaussen]

2 hours ago, Double R said:

 

35 years ago the Stewards Hcp was quinelled by

Orangeade - M Lyndon and

Brenlaine - M Enright

[von Smallhaussen]

Canterbury Belle was 3rd

[von Smallhaussen]

However 45 years ago

Grey Way with A K R aboard beat Show Gate with C B R riding

The Swagger was 3rd 😉

 

[PWJ]

46 minutes ago, von Smallhaussen said:

However 45 years ago

Grey Way with A K R aboard beat Show Gate with C B R riding

The Swagger was 3rd 😉

 

Sorry fat fingers - yes 45 years ago two of the all-time greats slugged it out for a winning stake of $3900

[Globederby19]

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't it Showgate that won a race (Trentham I think) and they found she had broken a front leg or something of that nature, probably just before the finish of the race ?. 

[Double R]

3 minutes ago, Globederby19 said:

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't it Showgate that won a race (Trentham I think) and they found she had broken a front leg or something of that nature, probably just before the finish of the race ?. 

Correct Rees.

[ngakonui grass]

4 hours ago, Double R said:

At one stage in the last twenty years, he was working for Rogie. Not sure where he is now, but hope all is good with him.

Sold his property up the road from Rogersons near Temple View and headed back south for family reasons from what i read at the time,possibly 3/5 years ago.

[ngakonui grass]

4 hours ago, PWJ said:

I know he did a stint in the Wairarapa at one time also. Was a rotten sire but then his mares were probably shit

The only winner i can remember by Crown Law was PISTON,trained by the Sanders.The dam was MENEO.

[ngakonui grass]

42 minutes ago, Globederby19 said:

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't it Showgate that won a race (Trentham I think) and they found she had broken a front leg or something of that nature, probably just before the finish of the race ?. 

Got a book written by John Costello.On the cover is a very pensive looking Bob Skelton leading Show Gate back to scale lame after the Trentham Stakes.

[Maximus]

Seem to recall Crown Law as a very fast precocious 2yo/3yo sprinter/miler who went on to win at Group level in Oz...Syd Brown the trainer.

Blue Nile was one of those hardy sprinters from the CD who just turned up week after week and won plenty

Edited November 4, 2021 by Maximus

[Dancing Show]

Syd Brown 🙂   and his beloved Daryl's Joy - what a horse 🙂 

[Bloke]

I have a copy of Bob Skelton's book where he describes his ride on Show Gate in The Trentham Stakes. He states that he felt her falter at the 1,000 metre mark. When in the straight, he asked her to lengthen stride but she lugged in and  began to struggle. Bob felt that she was beaten and pulled the stick out of desperation and that was when she gave everything and passed Varnamo to win by 2 lenghts.

Just as she crossed the line Show Gate faltered again ad Bob realised that she had broken down. Bob then pulled up quickly and dismounted.

She really was a special horse.

[Bloke]

4 minutes ago, Dancing Show said:

Syd Brown 🙂   and his beloved Daryl's Joy - what a horse 🙂 

Yes, he beat Vain over 7 furlongs at Moonee Valley when 40k turned out to watch the unbeaten Vain win. Won The Cox Plate and the VRC Derby. Went onto USA and won some huge races.

 

[Hesi]

DARYL'S JOY (NZ) 1966                                       
                           
30 starts, 16 wins (5 x Group 1), 9 seconds and 4 thirds.  Win % 53.5, Place % 96.7.                                  
According to Equibase his USA earnings were  USD 125,675 in the 1970 calendar year and USD 67,100 in the 1971 calendar year for a total in the USA of USD 192,775. The RBA USD / AUD exchange rate was unchanged at USD 1.12 = AUD 1.00 for the entire period he raced in the USA so his AUD equivalent earnings were AUD 172,120.                                        
The NZD / AUD RBA exchange rate was unchanged during the period Daryl's Joy raced in NZ (NZD 0.9980 = AUD 1.00).                                 I haveI have aligned his USA starts in accordance with the Australian racing year.                           
                                       
In summary his record is as follows:                                       
In New Zealand 14 starts, 7 wins (2 x Group 1), 5 seconds, 2 thirds for stakewinnings of NZD 21,810 or AUD 21,853.71.                                        
In Australia 5 starts, 3 wins (2 x Group 1), 1 second, 1 third for stakewinnings of AUD 73,730                                       
In USA 11 starts, 6 wins (1 x Grade 1), 3 seconds, 1 third for stakewinnings of USD 192,775 or AUD 172,120.                                         
Honours - 1985-1995 Daryl's Joy Hcp run at Saratoga USA                                       
USA record incomplete - details of his first start in USA unknown and I assume it was the only time he finished outside the first three in his career.                                       
Despite not being able to confirm his US winnings at his first and third starts in the USA it is beyond doubt that on 20 Feb 1971 he passed Sailor's Guide's record Australasian stakewinnings of AUD 236,182 when won San Luis Obispo Hcp at Santa Anita Park CA USA and I estimate his cumulative earnings after that win would have been in the vicinity of AUD 264,244.  At his next and last start where he finished third he added USD 2,800 or AUD 2,500 to that total.                                       
The American Racing Manual's experimental free handicap for rated him the equal fourth best 3YO&Up turf horse on 125 lbs for the 1970 calendar (and US racing) year behind  Fort Marcy on 132 lbs, Fiddle Isle on 131 lbs and Vent du Nord on ? lbs  and equal with Pinjarra on 125 lbs.                                         
His record suggests he is clearly one of the better horses ever to race in Australasia.  He managed to beat Vain once in two meetings over 1600m running second in the other noting that he then went on to win the Cox Plate and Victoria Derby at his next two starts before heading to the USA. He beat Cougar II twice in the USA (20 wins and 24 placings from 50 starts) and Cougar II was rated by author Mary Simon as one of the top 22 USA race horses of the 1970s.                                        
Odds quoted in the American Racing Manual are for $1.00 win but exclude the amount $1.00 bet.  Where the US odds appear below I have included $1.00 to reflect the Australian practice.                                        
Any further information about his USA starts would be appreciated.                                       
                                       
TWO YEARS:  1968-1969  Starts 14: 7-5-2-0                                       
                                       
2nd-9   25/09/1968.   Hd x 1L   Hastings, NI, NZ   HBJC Hastings Stakes   4f.   804m.   8.5   53kg   0.48.8.   Easy   Crown Law 8.5 1st   NZD 200   
2nd-18   12/10/1968.   Sht nk x 5L   Opaki, Masterton, NI, NZ   MastRC Nursery Hcp   4f.   804m.   8.7.   54kg   0.48.2.   Easy, Fav.   Kay Royal 8.6 1st   NZD 100   
3rd-13   19/10/1968.   2.25L x ½ hd   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC Wellesley Stakes   5f.   1005m.   8.7.   54kg   0.57.0 (ENZR)   Slightly easy   Kay Royal 8.7 1st   NZD 400   
2nd-8   9/11/1968.   ½ hd x 2.5L   Riccarton, Christchurch, SI, NZ   CJC Welcome Stakes   5f.   1005m.   8.5.   53kg   1.00.2.   Firm, 2nd Fav.   Far Time 8.5 1st   NZD 600   
1st-10   13/11/1968.   Nk x 7L   Riccarton, Christchurch, SI, NZ   CJC Irwell Hcp   5f.   1005m.   8.12.   56kg   0.58.6.   Fast, Fav.   Far Time 9.3 2nd   NZD 920   
1st-11   16/11/1968.   3L x 1L   Riccarton, Christchurch, SI, NZ   CJC Pioneer Hcp   5f.   1005m.   9.7.   60kg   1.00.2.   Soft, Fav.   Tony Kaye 8.11 2nd   NZD 990   
2nd-8   11/12/1968.   0.75L x 3.5L   Wanganui, NI, NZ   WangJC Celebrity Stakes   5.5f.   1106m.   8.11.   56kg   1.06.0.   Fast, 3rd Fav.   Crown Law 8.8 5th Fav. 1st   NZD 300   
                                       
2nd-8   18/01/1969.   1L x 2L   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC Wellington Stakes   6f.   1207m.   cd 7.7½.   47.5kg   1.09.75.   Fast, 4th Fav.   Mayo Gold 8.11 Fav. 1st   NZD 800   
1st-7   27/01/1969.   2.5L x 1.25L   Ellerslie, Auckland, NI, NZ   AuRC Eclipse Stakes   Abt. 6f.   Abt 1200m.   8.3   52kg   1.11.2 (ERR)   Firm, 2nd Fav.   Mighty Concorde 8.0 3rd Fav. 2nd   NZD 2,600   
3rd-9   8/03/1969.   1.5L x hd   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC North Island Challenge Stakes   7f.   1408m.   cd 7.2.   45.5kg   1.23.5.   Firm   Wood Court Inn 6.9 5th Fav. 1st   NZD 400   
1st-9   15/03/1969.   0.75L x 3L   Trentham, Wellington, NI, NZ   WeRC Wakefield Challenge Stakes   7f.   1408m.   9.1.   57.5kg   1.23.25.   Fast, 4th Fav.   Agreement 8.0 Fav. 2nd   NZD 3,900   
1st-10   29/03/1969.   2.75L x hd   Awapuni, Palmerston North, NI, NZ   MwtuRC 61st Manawatu Sires Produce Stakes (G1)   7f.   1408m.   8.12.   56kg   1.24.8 (ERR)   Fast, Fav.   Astrella 7.11 2nd   NZD 2,600   
1st-7   5/04/1969.   2.5L x 0.5L   Ellerslie, Auckland, NI, NZ   AuRC Great Northern Champagne Stakes   6f.   1207m.   8.10.   55.5kg   1.11.2 (ERR)   Good, Fav.   Princess Tina 8.8 2nd   NZD 2,600   
1st-11   12/04/1969.   1.25L x 2.5L   Ellerslie, Auckland, NI, NZ   AuRC Ellerslie Championship Stakes (G1)   7f.   1408m.   8.12.   56kg   1.24.0.   Fast, Fav.   Mighty Concorde 8.0 4th Fav. 2nd   NZD 5,400   
                                       
                                       
THREE YEARS:  1969-1970  Starts 9: 4-3-1-1                                       
                                       
3rd-10   13/09/1969.   1.25L x 4L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Ascot Vale Stakes   6f.   1207m.   8.12.   56kg   1.12.6.   Slow, 33/1.   Vain 9.5 2/9F 1st   AUD 480   
1st-11   27/09/1969.   0.75L x 5L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC Moonee Valley Stakes   8f.   1609m.   8.9.   55kg   1.40.5.   Slow, 10/1.   Vain 8.9 4/9F 2nd   AUD 14,200   
2nd-9   11/10/1969.   3L x 6L   Caulfield, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VATC Caulfield Guineas   8f.   1609m.   8.10.   55.5kg   1.36.2 (RR)   Fast, 6/4   Vain 8.10 9/10F 1st   AUD 3,150   
1st-10   25/10/1969.   2.5L x 2L   Moonee Valley, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   MVRC W.S. Cox Plate (G1)   10f.   2011m.   7.11.   49.5kg   2.05.4.   Fast, 7/2.   Ben Lomond 9.4 7/4F 2nd   AUD 21,600   
1st-13   1/11/1969.   3L x 4L   Flemington, Melbourne, VIC, AUS   VRC Victoria Derby (G1)   12f.   2414m.   8.10.   55.5kg   2.33.3.   Slow, 5/4F   Top Flat 8.10 7/2 2nd   AUD 34,300   
                                       
Unpl-   circa 6/04/1970.   Margin ?   Hollywood Park ?   Racename ?   XXf. (turf?)   XXXXm.   XXXlbs   XXkg   Time ?   Odds ?   Horse name 1st ?   USD 0.00   
2nd-   16/04/1970.   3L x ?   Hollywood Park, Los Angeles, CA, USA   Coronado Stakes   8.5f. (turf)   1709m.   122 lbs   55.5kg   1.41.0.   Odds ?   Pinjarra 116 1st   USD 3,800   
1st-   circa 5/05/1970.   Margin ?   Hollywood Park, Los Angeles, CA, USA   Senorita race ?   8f. (turf)   1609m.   XXXlbs   XXkg   1.35.0.   Odds ?   Horse name 2nd ?   USD 6,625#   
2nd-10   12/05/1970.   Nse x ?   Hollywood Park, Los Angeles, CA, USA   Cortez Hcp.    11f (turf)   2212m.   122 lbs   55.5kg   2.15.0.   Fast, 6/5F   Vagabundo (CHI) 120 1st   USD 3,800   
                                       
FOUR YEARS:  1970-1971  Starts 7: 5-1-1-0                                       
                                        
1st-   10/08/1970.   Margin ?   Del Mar, near San Diego, CA, USA   Junior Leagues Purse   8.5f. (turf?)   1709m.   XXXlbs   XXkg   1.42.4 (0.2 outside CR)   3/5F.   Dizzy Babe 2nd   USD 4,400   
1st-6   7/09/1970. Hd x nse Del Mar, near San Diego, CA, USA   Del Mar Hcp (currently G2)   11f. (turf)   2212m.   123lbs 56kg    2.15.4 (CR)   $3.90.   Cougar II (CH) 114 $6.10 2nd Contrados 110 3rd USD 33,450   
2nd-   10/10/1970.   Margin ?   Santa Anita Park, Arcadia, near LA, CA, USA   Carleton F Burke Invitational Hcp   10f (turf)   2011m.   123lbs   56kg   1.58.8.   Odds ?   Fiddle Isle 129 $10.40 1st   USD 10,000   
1st-6   31/10/1970.   Nk x 4L   Santa Anita Park, Arcadia, near LA, CA, USA   Oak Tree Invitational Stakes (G1) (currently John Henry Turf Championship Stakes)   12f. (turf)   2414m.   126lbs   57kg   2.26.2.   Firm, $8.30.   Fiddle Isle 126 $1.30 2nd Cougar II (CHI) 126 $1.30 3rd    USD 63,600   
                                       
1st-   4/02/1971.   Margin ?   Santa Anita Park, Arcadia, near LA, CA, USA   Arcadia Hcp (later Frank E. Kilroe Mile Hcp (currently G1))    10f. (turf)   2011m.   126lbs   57kg   1.59.6.   Odds ?   Magic Hope II 115 2nd   USD 26,000   
1st-7   20/02/1971.   0.5L x nse    Santa Anita Park, Arcadia, near LA, CA, USA   San Luis Obispo Hcp (currently G2)   12f. (turf)   2414m.   128lbs   58kg    2.29.20.   Yielding, 11/10F.   Cougar II (CHI) 127 4/1 2nd   Onandaga 110 3rd USD 38,300   
3rd-*   23/04/1971.   Margin ?   Hollywood Park, Los Angeles, CA, USA   Crenshaw Stakes   8.5f. (turf)   1709m.   126lbs   57kg   1.41.2.   Odds ?   Pinjara 118 1st   USD 2,800   

[Dancing Show]

Talking about Show Gate's win at Trentham - came across this article about Daryl's Joy -

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/browns-joy-daryl-best-of-a-fine-bunch-20101030-1786v.html

He nearly didn't run in the Derby due to an inflamed off-foreleg.   

 

[Maximus]

great to read again about Triton and Classic Mission. I remember listening on the radio to CM's Derby win over there. CM had ayounger brother called Classic Nature, I think.

One of Max's rellies was apprenticed to Syd but was too young to go with him to Ozzie.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Maximus

[ngakonui grass]

Pin Puller was a son of Daryl's Joy that stood in NZ many years ago.Don't know if he left many winners but a mate of mine had one that placed  once or twice from memory.

Its name was La Grenade.

[Maximus]

11 minutes ago, ngakonui grass said:

Pin Puller was a son of Daryl's Joy that stood in NZ many years ago.Don't know if he left many winners but a mate of mine had one that placed  once or twice from memory.

Its name was La Grenade.

placed once in 17 starts, ng

at its 16th start La Grenade ran 3rd (of 13) at East BOP meeting 25 Jan 1992, btn 6.5L ridden by Carl Henderson.