Monday trivia

[Hesi]

That's a bit too easy LB, if I can find the answer playing around on Google, advantage Hesi

I don't think the HB races are part of that triple crown, 3 year old fillies races instead

[Hesi]

The third Series is the Fillies and Mares Triple Crown, made up of the Gr.3 Cuddle Stakes (1600m) at Trentham on March 14, the Gr.1 Fiber Fresh New Zealand Thoroughbred Breeders’ Stakes (1600m) at Te Aroha on April 4, and the Gr.2 Travis Stakes (2000m) at Te Rapa on April 25.

[Lightning Blue]

12 hours ago, craigos1 said:

Railway Handicap

Telegraph Handicap

Waikato Draught Sprint

Just a guess Mr Tiz

I was thinking the TA horse Avantage won all three triple crown recently. That Waikato race is 1400m ?

Is that a sprint in NZ  ?  seems middle distance to me lol.  but yes those are the nominated races for a triple crown Sprint 100k bonus.

[Lightning Blue]

11 hours ago, Hesi said:

That's a bit too easy LB, if I can find the answer playing around on Google, advantage Hesi

I don't think the HB races are part of that triple crown, 3 year old fillies races instead

I read somewhere that the 3 big Hawkes Bay races was the original NZ triple crown and 'Melody Belle' the only one to take it out. (Tarzino, Horlicks and Livamol Classic) might possibly be scraped now then ...

.....to accomadate the 3 year olds by the sound of it. a great idea.

I love triple crown racing. Helps build better racing and more interesting clashes. Also immortals come out of it like SECRETARIAT in the usa triple crown...

[Hesi]

I think it was always an unofficial triple crown, being those 3 G1 WFA races at Hawkes Bay over a 5 week period, being now, the Tarzino, Windsor Park Plate and Livamol.  I don't think there was any bonus for winning all 3, but the races came to prominence with Sam Kelt and what is now the Livamol being run for 2 million.  The race is still officially listed as the Ormond Memorial.

Don't forget the most recent one, American Pharaoh

[Hesi]

Hastings Triple Crown History

• 
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Tim Barton

3 October 2019

Photo credit: Trish Dunell

Eight horses have won two legs of the Hawke’s Bay Triple Crown, but none has managed to win all three.

That is expected to change this weekend when glamour galloper Melody Belle tackles the $250,000 Livamol Classic (2040m), the last leg in the Hastings series.

Melody Belle has been a dominant winner of the first two legs – Tarzino Trophy (1400m) and Windsor Park Plate (1600m) – and this week has been as short as $1.30 for Saturday’s feature, even before the final field was declared.

The Matamata mare also won the first two legs last year but had not raced past 1600m at that stage and bypassed the 2018 Livamol. However, she made a successful middle-distance debut last autumn, beating Danzdanzdance in the Group I Bonecrusher Stakes (2000m) at Ellerslie, which encouraged her connections to target the Triple Crown this spring.

Danzdanzdance will not be a rival on Saturday and the only other Group I winners in the 2019 Livamol entries are the New Zealand Derby winner Crown Prosecutor and New Zealand Oaks winner Sentimental Miss.

Crown Prosecutor and Sentimental Miss have both shown that they can stay but between them have managed four wins from 24 starts, while Melody Belle has won 13 of her 23 starts, including eight Group I races.

Vernanme and Mongolian Marshal were rated the main threats to Melody Belle and were the only other Livamol contenders at single figure odds on Tuesday night.

The Hastings Triple Crown was established in 1999 and the eight horses who have won two legs in the same year since are Melody Belle (2018 & 2019), Seachange (2006 & 2007),  Kawi (2016), Jimmy Choux (2011), Wall Street (2010), Xcellent (2005), Starcraft (2004) and The Message (2000).

However, Melody Belle will be just the third horse - after Seachange (twice) and Starcraft – to go into the Livamol with a chance of winning the Triple Crown.

Starcraft, who was trained in Australia, was a hot favourite for the $1 million Livamol (Kelt Stakes) in 2004, after stunning performances in the first two legs, but in the words of rider Glen Boss “lost the plot” on Livamol day.

Starcraft was very unsettled, both in the leadup to the race and in the running, and Boss was forced to take the horse to the front 1000m out, in a bid to get him to relax, but with limited success. Starcraft battled on for second but was comfortably beaten by Balmuse.

Starcraft, who had won the Australian Derby the previous autumn, was troubled by a niggling injury that spring and following the Livamol was beaten into the minor placings again in the Caulfield Stakes and Cox Plate.

He showed his true form when tried in the northern hemisphere the following year and was rated the top miler in Europe after recording Group I wins in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes (beating Dubawi) at Newmarket and the Prix du Moulin at Longchamp.

Balmuse’s Livamol win provided trainer Kevin Myers with the richest win of his career. Balmuse won 13 races and was a fine galloper but his Hastings triumph was a career-high point and he won only two other Group races.

Seachange was a wonderful racemare but was vulnerable at 2040m and wilted to third and fourth respectively in her two starts in the Livamol. However, she was virtually in line with the winner at her second attempt, with the margins being half a head, a nose and a nose.

The Cape Cross mare, who raced in The Oaks Stud colours, won 13 of her 19 starts in New Zealand, including seven Group I races. She only twice finished outside the first three in New Zealand and was never further back than fifth. 

She was a Group III winner and twice Group I-placed in Australia and ran fourth in the Group I Falmouth Stakes in England, after finishing her career with four starts in the northern hemisphere.

Kawi, another who has won the Tarzino twice, did not contest the 2016 Livamol, despite being successful in the first two legs, with his connections preferring to concentrate on richer opportunities in Perth, over more suitable distances.

Wall Street’s chances of winning the 2010 Triple Crown disappeared when he was beaten in the opening leg, but it could be argued that he has been the closer to claiming the treble than any other horse.

Wall Street was beaten by a nose in the Tarzino (then named the Mudgway Stakes) before comfortably winning the next two legs. He also won the Group I Emirates Stakes in Melbourne that spring and had two more Group I seconds in the autumn.

Jimmy Choux, like Wall Street, had two wins and a second in the Triple Crown. He was runner-up to Mufhasa in the opening leg before winning the next two legs and going on to run second in the Cox Plate.

Xcellent, who had only 13 races in his career, was an exceptional racehorse. He won the 2004 New Zealand Derby at just his third start and at his fourth beat the older horses in the Group I weight-for-age New Zealand Stakes at Ellerslie.

He was resuming as a four-year-old when he came from last to beat 15 rivals in the 2005 Tarzino and bypassed the Windsor Park before comfortably winning the Livamol. Two starts later he ran third, behind Makybe Diva, in the Melbourne Cup.

Xcellent won eight of his nine starts in New Zealand, his sole defeat coming when he was beaten by half a head in the Group I Zabeel Classic.

The Message won the Foxbridge Plate at Te Rapa, as well as the Windsor Park and Livamol, during his spring campaign in 2000, but was unplaced in the Tarzino after being caught wide.

Calm Harbour had no chance of being a Triple Crown winner but deserves an honourable mention for winning both the Tarzino and Livamol in 1993. He had the ability to be a potential Triple Crown winner, but a third leg was not part of the Hastings spring carnival till 1999.

The Windsor Park, originally known as the Hawke’s Bay Challenge Stakes, did not have black-type status when Just Call Me Sir was successful in 1999 but the race was upgraded to Group III the following year.

Though Calm Harbour beat Veandercross and Solvit in the Tarzino and Solvit and Castletown in the Livamol, he did not become a Group I winner in either instance.

The Tarzino, then known as the Russell’s Toshiba T.V. Stakes, had Group III status when Calm Harbour was successful and the Livamol, then named the Kelt Stakes, had been upgraded from Group III to Group II that year.

The Livamol became a Group I race in 1996 and the Tarzino in 2003 – the year after Sunline was successful – and it was 2005 before all three weight-for-age races held Group I status.

[Hesi]

 Bostock New Zealand Spring Carnival Triple Crown

What it appears to be officially known as

[Lightning Blue]

6 hours ago, Hesi said:

Hastings Triple Crown History

• 
• 

Tim Barton

3 October 2019

Photo credit: Trish Dunell

Eight horses have won two legs of the Hawke’s Bay Triple Crown, but none has managed to win all three.

That is expected to change this weekend when glamour galloper Melody Belle tackles the $250,000 Livamol Classic (2040m), the last leg in the Hastings series.

Melody Belle has been a dominant winner of the first two legs – Tarzino Trophy (1400m) and Windsor Park Plate (1600m) – and this week has been as short as $1.30 for Saturday’s feature, even before the final field was declared.

The Matamata mare also won the first two legs last year but had not raced past 1600m at that stage and bypassed the 2018 Livamol. However, she made a successful middle-distance debut last autumn, beating Danzdanzdance in the Group I Bonecrusher Stakes (2000m) at Ellerslie, which encouraged her connections to target the Triple Crown this spring.

Danzdanzdance will not be a rival on Saturday and the only other Group I winners in the 2019 Livamol entries are the New Zealand Derby winner Crown Prosecutor and New Zealand Oaks winner Sentimental Miss.

Crown Prosecutor and Sentimental Miss have both shown that they can stay but between them have managed four wins from 24 starts, while Melody Belle has won 13 of her 23 starts, including eight Group I races.

Vernanme and Mongolian Marshal were rated the main threats to Melody Belle and were the only other Livamol contenders at single figure odds on Tuesday night.

The Hastings Triple Crown was established in 1999 and the eight horses who have won two legs in the same year since are Melody Belle (2018 & 2019), Seachange (2006 & 2007),  Kawi (2016), Jimmy Choux (2011), Wall Street (2010), Xcellent (2005), Starcraft (2004) and The Message (2000).

However, Melody Belle will be just the third horse - after Seachange (twice) and Starcraft – to go into the Livamol with a chance of winning the Triple Crown.

Starcraft, who was trained in Australia, was a hot favourite for the $1 million Livamol (Kelt Stakes) in 2004, after stunning performances in the first two legs, but in the words of rider Glen Boss “lost the plot” on Livamol day.

Starcraft was very unsettled, both in the leadup to the race and in the running, and Boss was forced to take the horse to the front 1000m out, in a bid to get him to relax, but with limited success. Starcraft battled on for second but was comfortably beaten by Balmuse.

Starcraft, who had won the Australian Derby the previous autumn, was troubled by a niggling injury that spring and following the Livamol was beaten into the minor placings again in the Caulfield Stakes and Cox Plate.

He showed his true form when tried in the northern hemisphere the following year and was rated the top miler in Europe after recording Group I wins in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes (beating Dubawi) at Newmarket and the Prix du Moulin at Longchamp.

Balmuse’s Livamol win provided trainer Kevin Myers with the richest win of his career. Balmuse won 13 races and was a fine galloper but his Hastings triumph was a career-high point and he won only two other Group races.

Seachange was a wonderful racemare but was vulnerable at 2040m and wilted to third and fourth respectively in her two starts in the Livamol. However, she was virtually in line with the winner at her second attempt, with the margins being half a head, a nose and a nose.

The Cape Cross mare, who raced in The Oaks Stud colours, won 13 of her 19 starts in New Zealand, including seven Group I races. She only twice finished outside the first three in New Zealand and was never further back than fifth. 

She was a Group III winner and twice Group I-placed in Australia and ran fourth in the Group I Falmouth Stakes in England, after finishing her career with four starts in the northern hemisphere.

Kawi, another who has won the Tarzino twice, did not contest the 2016 Livamol, despite being successful in the first two legs, with his connections preferring to concentrate on richer opportunities in Perth, over more suitable distances.

Wall Street’s chances of winning the 2010 Triple Crown disappeared when he was beaten in the opening leg, but it could be argued that he has been the closer to claiming the treble than any other horse.

Wall Street was beaten by a nose in the Tarzino (then named the Mudgway Stakes) before comfortably winning the next two legs. He also won the Group I Emirates Stakes in Melbourne that spring and had two more Group I seconds in the autumn.

Jimmy Choux, like Wall Street, had two wins and a second in the Triple Crown. He was runner-up to Mufhasa in the opening leg before winning the next two legs and going on to run second in the Cox Plate.

Xcellent, who had only 13 races in his career, was an exceptional racehorse. He won the 2004 New Zealand Derby at just his third start and at his fourth beat the older horses in the Group I weight-for-age New Zealand Stakes at Ellerslie.

He was resuming as a four-year-old when he came from last to beat 15 rivals in the 2005 Tarzino and bypassed the Windsor Park before comfortably winning the Livamol. Two starts later he ran third, behind Makybe Diva, in the Melbourne Cup.

Xcellent won eight of his nine starts in New Zealand, his sole defeat coming when he was beaten by half a head in the Group I Zabeel Classic.

The Message won the Foxbridge Plate at Te Rapa, as well as the Windsor Park and Livamol, during his spring campaign in 2000, but was unplaced in the Tarzino after being caught wide.

Calm Harbour had no chance of being a Triple Crown winner but deserves an honourable mention for winning both the Tarzino and Livamol in 1993. He had the ability to be a potential Triple Crown winner, but a third leg was not part of the Hastings spring carnival till 1999.

The Windsor Park, originally known as the Hawke’s Bay Challenge Stakes, did not have black-type status when Just Call Me Sir was successful in 1999 but the race was upgraded to Group III the following year.

Though Calm Harbour beat Veandercross and Solvit in the Tarzino and Solvit and Castletown in the Livamol, he did not become a Group I winner in either instance.

The Tarzino, then known as the Russell’s Toshiba T.V. Stakes, had Group III status when Calm Harbour was successful and the Livamol, then named the Kelt Stakes, had been upgraded from Group III to Group II that year.

The Livamol became a Group I race in 1996 and the Tarzino in 2003 – the year after Sunline was successful – and it was 2005 before all three weight-for-age races held Group I status.

Thanks for that info Hesi !! that was all very interesting and a great article, with some great horses involved over the years. the amazing SUNLINE even winning one of them (Livamol) and boosting it to Group 1 status from there on. fantastic.

VEANDERCROSS an immortal in Oz too.

[Hesi]

Second favourite horse after Zonda

VEANDERCROSS
NZ 1988 bay gelding
Crossways GB - Lavender NZ
Foaled 14 October 1988
Died aged 26 April 2014
Owned by Chris Turner
Trained by Chris Turner & John Wheeler

40 starts 15 wins 9 seconds 4 thirds  $2,602,524

1993 HORSE OF THE YEAR
 

1990-91 At TWO YEARS :  3 starts 3 wins 0 places
WON of 11	27Apr91  Wanganui $3,826  2YO Handicap 1320m Soft  G Phillips 53kg   1:23.40
WON of 16	15May91 Foxton   $19,128 Castletown Stakes 1200m Listed Soft  Jim Walker 53.5kg  1:11.32
WON of 11	24Jul91 Otaki $30,604 RYDER STKS Listed 1200m Heavy  Jim Walker 55kg  2nd Running John (NZ) 55kg 1:17.84
1991-92 At THREE YEARS : 12 starts 4 wins 6 seconds 1 third;
2ND of 8	24Aug91  Wanganui $30,604 Wanganui Guineas 1320m Listed Heavy  Jim Walker 55.5kg
WON of 14	21Sep91 Hastings  $26,779 Okawa Guineas 1400m Listed  Good Jim Walker 55kg   1:22.01
2ND of 8	05Oct91 Otaki  $9,181 3YO-Set Weights 1400m Soft Jim Walker 55.5kg  0.5L
2ND of 15	26Oct91 Trentham $45,907 Wellington Guineas 1600m Group 2  Soft  Jim Walker 55.5kg  1st Solvit (NZ) 55.5kg, 3rd Lord Majestic (NZ) 55.5kg 1:37.16, 0.1L
WON of 12	13Nov91 Riccarton $107,116  NZ Two Thousand Guineas 1600m Group 1 Good  Jim Walker 55.5kg  1:35.8
WON of 16	27Nov91 Otaki  $148,202 Bayer (Levin) Classic 1600m Good Group 1  Jim Walker 55.5kg  01:34.4
3RD of 14	14Dec91 Avondale $30,604  Avondale Guineas 2000m Group 2 Good Jim Walker 55.5kg  1st Ligeiro (NZ) 55.5kg, 2nd Mr. Trevino (NZ) 55.5kg 2:03.02, 0.6L
2ND of 16	26Dec91 Ellerslie $191,278 NZ Derby 2400m  Group 1 Good  Jim Walker 55.5kg  3rd Te Akau Nick (NZ) 55.5kg 0:00.00, 0.1L
4th of 14	12Mar92 Gosford $101,025 Gosford Guineas  1600m Listed Firm2 Jim Walker 57kg 1st Cobbora (NZ) 50.5kg, 2nd Maamur 51kg 1:36.23, 3.4L 7-1
WON of 14	21Mar92 Canterbury $303,360 Canterbury Guineas 1900m Group 1 Firm2 Jim Walker 55.5kg  2nd Naturalism (NZ) 55.5kg, 3rd Big Dreams 55.5kg 1:55.06, 1.3L 7-1
2ND of 16	04Apr92 Rosehill $403,360  Rosehill Guineas  2000m Soft5 Group 1 Jim Walker 55.5kg1st Naturalism (NZ) 55.5kg, 3rd Skylock (NZ) 55.5kg 2:05.05, 0.2L 15-8
2ND of 15	18Apr92 Randwickwick $1,108,920 AJC Derby2400m  Group 1 Good3  Jim Walker 55.5kg  1st Naturalism (NZ) 55.5kg 2:31.20, 0.8L 10-9
1992-93 AT FOUR YEARS :  12 starts 8 wins 2 seconds 2 thirds
WON of 12	29Aug92 Wanganui  $42,903 Central Stakes  Group 3 1600m Heavy Jim Walker 57kg  2nd Lord Regent (NZ) 58.5kg 1:47.20, 1.5L
3RD of 8	19Sep92 New Plymouth  $42,903 Mason Stakes Group 2 2000m Heavy Jim Walker 57kg   5.8L
WON of 9	03Oct92 Hastings $53,629 Kelt Capital Stakes 2000m Soft Group 3 Jim Walker 57kg  3rd Castletown (NZ) 59kg 2:09.81
2ND of 18	17Oct92 Caulfield $1,003,000 Caulfield Cup Group 1 2400m Soft7 Shane Dye 55kg  1st Mannerism 54.5kg 2:34.90, 0.1L, 3-1/5-2
WON of 12	31Oct92 Flemington $301,000 LKS Mackinnon Stakes Group 1  2000m Soft7 Shane Dye 57kg Barrier 3 2nd Rough Habit (NZ) 59kg 2:04.90, 0.8L, 2-1/6-4/2-1
2ND of 21	03Nov92 Flemington $2,035,000 Melbourne Cup Group 1 3200m Soft7  ]Shane Dye 54.5kg  1st Subzero 54.5kg, 3rd Castletown (NZ) 57kg 3:24.70, 1.8L, 2-1/9-4
WON of 12	14Feb93 TE R $74,405 Lion Brown Sprint Group 1 1400m Good Jim Walker 57kg 2nd Javelin (NZ) 57.5kg, 3rd Rough Habit (NZ) 57.5kg 1:22.08, 2L
WON of 10	28Feb93 Caulfield $101,000 Carlyon Cup Group 2  2000m Good3 Mick Dittman 58.5kg  3rd Springhill Lad (NZ) 49.5kg 2:01.50, 1-3/2-5/4-11
WON of 9	08Mar93 Flemington $655,000 Australian Cup Group 1 2000m Good3  Mick Dittman 57kg 2nd Star of the Realm 57kg, 3rd Fraar (USA) 58kg 2:01.30, 1.5L, 1-2/4-11
WON of 8	20Mar93 Rosehill $303,608 Ranvet Stakes  Group 1 2000m Good3   Jim Walker 57kg  2nd Naturalism (NZ) 57kg, 3rd Mahaya (NZ) 52kg 2:01.61, 1.3L, 9-10/4-5
3RD of 12	03Apr93 Rosehill  $1,021,108 BMW Stakes Group 1 2400m Firm2  Jim Walker 57kg 1st Kaaptive Edition (NZ) 52.5kg, 2nd Rough Habit (NZ) 58.5kg 2:27.13R, 2.3L 2-5
WON of 4	12Apr93 Randwick $198,160 Queen Elizabeth Stakes Group 1 2000m Good3 Jim Walker 57kg  2nd Durbridge 58kg, 3rd Rough Habit (NZ) 58kg 2:01.70, 1.3L, 8-11/4-5/8-11
1993-94 At FIVE YEARS : 0 wins 1 second 0 thirds
6th of 11	28Aug93 Wanganui  $7,440 Open Handicap1320m Soft Jim Walker 57kg  2nd Calm Harbour (NZ) 54.5kg, 3rd Master Brookfield (NZ) 47.5kg 0:00.00, 2.2L
2ND of 8	11Sep93 Hastings $26,042 Akai Stakes Group 3  1400m Soft  ($5,208) Jim Walker 58.5kg  1st Calm Harbour (NZ) 58.5kg, 3rd Solvit (NZ) 58.5kg 1:23.68, 0.3L
5th of 13	23Sep93 Caulfield $200,000 Underwood Stakes Group 1 2000m Good3 Mick Dittman 59kg  1st Runyon (IRE) 59kg, 2nd Mannerism 56.5kg 2:04.10, 2.5L, 2-1/3-1
10th of 15	09Oct93 Caulfield $200,000 Caulfield Stakes  Group 1 2000m Good3 Mick Dittman 59kg 1st Naturalism (NZ) 59kg, 2nd The Phantom (NZ) 59kg 2:04.70, 8.6L, 5-4/10-9/5-4
6th of 9	23Oct93 Moonee Valley $1,506,500 WS Cox Plate  Group 1 2040m Firm2 Mick Dittman 59kg  1st The Phantom Chance (NZ) 57kg, 2nd Solvit (NZ) 59kg 2:02.80 (800m 47.30), 4.7L, 5-1/4-1
8th of 16	30Oct93 Flemington $301,000 LKS Mackinnon Stakes Group 1 2000m Firm2 Jim Walker 59kg 1st The Phantom (NZ) 59kg, 2nd Fraar (USA) 59kg 2:01.40 (800m 45.20), 6.5L, 13-4/4-1/7-2
1994-95 At SIX YEARS : 0 wins 0 seconds 1 third
6th of 7	03Sep94 Wanganui  $49,407 Central Stakes  Group 3 1600m Soft  Jim Walker 58.5kg  1st Rough Habit (NZ) 58.5kg, 2nd Calm Harbour (NZ) 58.5kg 1:42.80, 4.7L
3RD of 9	10Sep94 Hastings $37,055 Enerco Stakes Group 2 1400m Good  Jim Walker 58.5kg  1st Snap (NZ) 54.5kg, 2nd Solvit (NZ) 58.5kg 1:20.32, 1.1L
4th of 12	24Sep94 Randwick $252,160  George Main Stakes Group 1 1600m Good3 Jim Walker 58.5kg  1st Durbridge 58.5kg, 2nd Brave Warrior 49kg 1:36.23, 0.7L, 11th@800m, 11th@400m, 8-1/10-1/8-1
1995-96 At SEVEN YEARS :  Did Not Race
1996-97 At EIGHT YEARS : 4 starts  0 wins 0 places
7th of 14	08Feb97 Te Rapa $88,700  Waikato Draught Stakes Group 11400m Good Jim Walker 57.5kg 1st Avedon (NZ) 57.5kg, 3rd Batavian (NZ) 53kg 1:22.47, 3.6L
9th of 12	22Feb97 Otaki  $70,960 Terrace Regency Hotel Stakes  Group 11400m Good Jim Walker 57.5kg 1st It's My Sin 51.5kg, 3rd Batavian (NZ) 53kg 1:21.22, 2.8L
9th of 10	10Mar97 Flemington $1,255,000 Australian Cup Group 1  2000m Good3 Jim Walker 58kg 1st Octagonal (NZ) 57kg, 2nd Gold City (NZ) 56.5kg 2:01.00 (600m 34.60), 17.6L, 8th@800m, 9th@400m, 33-1/50-1
11th of 12	29Mar97 Caulfield $100,600  Easter Cup  Group 3 2000m Good3 Jim Walker 59kg Barrier 12 1st True Identity 56kg, 2nd Royal Line 52kg 2:01.92 (600m 36.01), 7.9L, 3rd@800m, 2nd@400m, 20-1/30-1/25-1

[Lightning Blue]

7 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Second favourite horse after Zonda

Can't say I've heard of ZONDA , but thought you would be a ROUGH HABIT man from the early 90's lol. RH came and saw and conquered many times here in Brisvegas and even got to see him go (win) once , and talk about impressive. What a trier he was....  and then not long after NZ sent over SUNLINE in the later 90's to continue the carnage. How good was she?? the NZ WInx version, but even tougher IMO 

 

[Hesi]

Not withstanding the quality of racing at the top level in NZ is pretty poor these days, I can't see a horse achieving the HB triple crown.  If you have a good horse in the Spring, then most head to your neck of the woods.  Callsign Mav, who won the first 2 legs last year and was outclassed in Aus

[Hesi]

Zonda was a horse classed by Roger James as his best.  Probably the most impressive winner of the NZ Derby in recent times.  Plagued by injury after that so was never able to repeat that form, either in NZ or Aus

[Hesi]

Rough Habit's 1992 Stradbroke win, would go down in most peoples top 3 performances 

[Hesi]

Here's a bit of trivia for you

Can you name the biggest weight Rough Habit ever carried in a race, and where was it

[Our Maizcay]

1-7	3 Aug 94	1200m	AUTOLODGE 1200		$4,000
TARA  Heavy		G OPN	Rear,cruised up 300,blitzed them, 1.20.99	Ross Elliot	$2,600
Car: 71.5

[Hesi]

Yes, that's a lot of weight to carry, still a lot less than some of us grandstand jockeys

Were you there?

[Lightning Blue]

Anzac Day Monday trivia. As we remember the fallen from Aus and Nz on this annual Day a Bit of Trivia is thinking of the amazing horses used /purchased by the Aus Light Horsemen and NZ troops (mainly Otago mounted rifles)  took with them. WORLD WAR 1 over hundred years ago.

Nz sent 100,000 troops and  10,000 horses sent to the middle east, Gallipoli, with 4000 of those NZ horses were deployed to the 'Western Front' in France. Only '4' horses ever returned to NZ from the great war.

Like Australia, just too hard to send them back after years serving in of some of the most harsh conditions ever created on the war-fields of Europe. 10,000 Australian horses that survived the carnage were sold to the British Army of India (the world's largest) at the end of the war. Must of been heart-breaking for their dedicated riders.

TRIVIA Question: Can you name the TYPE of horse used WW1 by the Anzac forces?  

(The beautiful Thoroughbreds a little fine for those extreme conditions)

[Hesi]

Good post LB, thanks

[Hesi]

Can't let this day pass without quoting the 4th stanza of Laurence Binyon's poem.

Superb phrasing of the English language.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

[pete]

This is a great story:

https://loveracing.nz/News/30201/BessTheNZThoroughbredwhowenttoWar.aspx

[ngakonui grass]

1 hour ago, Lightning Blue said:

Anzac Day Monday trivia. As we remember the fallen from Aus and Nz on this annual Day a Bit of Trivia is thinking of the amazing horses used /purchased by the Aus Light Horsemen and NZ troops (mainly Otago mounted rifles)  took with them. WORLD WAR 1 over hundred years ago.

Nz sent 100,000 troops and  10,000 horses sent to the middle east, Gallipoli, with 4000 of those NZ horses were deployed to the 'Western Front' in France. Only '4' horses ever returned to NZ from the great war.

Like Australia, just too hard to send them back after years serving in of some of the most harsh conditions ever created on the war-fields of Europe. 10,000 Australian horses that survived the carnage were sold to the British Army of India (the world's largest) at the end of the war. Must of been heart-breaking for their dedicated riders.

TRIVIA Question: Can you name the TYPE of horse used WW1 by the Anzac forces?  

(The beautiful Thoroughbreds a little fine for those extreme conditions)

WALERS?

[Lightning Blue]

2 hours ago, ngakonui grass said:

WALERS?

That is the one NG !! A very hardy breed who could go 2 days without water if need -be,? incredible.

And there is some THOROUGHBRED in the heritage it seems. (might be the speed factor lol !! ) 

Breed name: Waler

Country of origin: Australia

Breed origin: The Waler was developed in colonial Australia by crossing a huge number of breeds including heavy draught types, strong coach horses, Timor Ponies and native British ponies, Thoroughbreds, Arabians and the African Cape Horse. To handle the harsh Australian conditions and the tough work required of them, these horses needed strength, endurance, hardiness and versatility.
It wasn’t long before Walers were being bred on a large scale, with a booming export trade developing in the 1830s as their unmatched abilities as cavalry horses became the talk of the British Army. It was then that they got their name, coined by the British Army in India, who referred to them as ‘New South Walers’.
In 1886, Sir T. A. Coghlan wrote of the Waler, ‘The bush horse is hardy and swift and capable of making very long and rapid journeys when fed only on the ordinary herbage of the country: and in times of drought, when grass and water have become scanty, these animals often perform astonishing feats of endurance.‘

[Lightning Blue]

Well for a bit of Monday Trivia here is a NZ great that I used to enjoy seeing race. 

No doubt Ngakonui Grass will clean this one up ( as he did to us trotting blokes in the harness comp yesterday as well lol.... congrats NG !!  for that win, you're too good lol ) maybe see if someone else can jag this one then.

Who is this great horse ? and remember the Trainer too?

Edited July 3, 2022 by Lightning Blue

[PWJ]

23 minutes ago, Lightning Blue said:

Well for a bit of Monday Trivia here is a NZ great that I used to enjoy seeing race. 

No doubt Ngakonui Grass will clean this one up ( as he did to us trotting blokes in the harness comp yesterday as well lol.... congrats NG !!  for that win, you're too good lol ) maybe see if someone else can jag this one then.

Who is this great horse ? and remember the Trainer too?

Rough Habit and "Wheels" John Wheeler

[Globederby19]

4 hours ago, Lightning Blue said:

Who is this great horse ? and remember the Trainer too?

Maybe pick a plainer looking horse LB. Even I could pick that one.