Stem Cell Treatment

[karrotsishere]

At this site we can openly ask the question without the site owner/s jumping in & saying NO cheats (joke) & shutting those wanting fairness down. This is the latest report out of Aus. Something quite frankly I feel has credibility. Is this the same thing that they did in USA that they got done for ... ? Seems to indicate it is. 

Has this made its way to NZ?

Im all for FAIRNESS for ALL. Step out on the same level field. Why are peeps afraid to do that? Hence will call it & moving forward will continue to do so.

Anyway chosing to hate on me for calling or questioning things those that do or are getting RED Blooded by this post perhaps look at themselves oppose the MESSENGER. Dont shoot the messenger.

Not expecting many or if any replies to this, BUT at least by bringing it up here an awareness. If the RIB arent already on it. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by karrotsishere

[Double R]

24 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

At this site we can openly ask the question without the site owner/s jumping in & saying NO NO cheats (joke) & shutting those wanting fairness down. This is the latest report out of Aus. Something quite frankly I feel has credibility. Is this the same thing that they did in USA that they got dunn for ... ? Seems to indicate it is. 

Has this made its way to NZ?

Im all for FAIRNESS for ALL. Step out on the same level field. Why are peeps afraid to do that? Hence will call it & moving forward will continue to do so.

Anyway chosing to hate on me for calling or questioning things those that do or are getting RED Blooded by this post perhaps look at themselves oppose the MESSENGER. Dont shoot the messenger.

Not expecting many or if any replies to this, BUT at least by bringing it up here an awareness. If the RIB arent already on it. 

Yes Karrots, it has been used here for years, probably, 20 years or more, in particular, I am aware of it in the thoroughbreds, and of course, humans.

[Globederby19]

22 minutes ago, Double R said:

Yes Karrots, it has been used here for years, probably, 20 years or more, in particular, I am aware of it in the thoroughbreds, and of course, humans.

I think they used stem cell treatment for U May Cullects tendons .

[Double R]

1 minute ago, Globederby19 said:

I think they used stem cell treatment for U May Cullects tendons .

I think you are correct Rees.

[karrotsishere]

Excellent so you guys sounds like you are in the know. Maybe you can tell me all about this product then. 

 

[Globederby19]

No Karrots , definitely not in the know. But stem cell technology has been around for some time for all sorts of medical procedures and therapy's ranging across a wide range of ailments. 

Closest I got was Growth hormone for my early body building days. Fried my testicles. Luckily I had my family early as well.🤣  

[karrotsishere]

What was the peeps in the USA DONE for the gallops peeps? J Servis?

Edited January 27, 2022 by karrotsishere

[karrotsishere]

1 minute ago, Globederby19 said:

No Karrots , definitely not in the know. But stem cell technology has been around for some time for all sorts of medical procedures and therapy's ranging across a wide range of ailments. 

Closest I got was Growth hormone for my early body building days. Fried my testicles. Luckily I had my family early as well.🤣  

Yeah know it in humans of course hehe. Talking about horses here 😄 And race horses. That compete for $$.

[Double R]

13 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Excellent so you guys sounds like you are in the know. Maybe you can tell me all about this product then. 

 

When I was commenting on stem cell treatment, as per the heading, this is what I was referring too.

Stem cell transplantation (SCT), sometimes referred to as bone marrow transplant, is a procedure in which a patient receives healthy stem cells to replace damaged stem cells.

Before SCT, the patient receives high doses of chemotherapy, and sometimes radiation therapy, to prepare the body for transplantation. This is called "conditioning treatment." After the stem cells are infused into the patient’s bloodstream, they travel to the bone marrow and begin the process of forming new, healthy blood cells including white blood cells, red blood cells and platelets. This process is called “engraftment.

[Double R]

It is the same process used with horses.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Double R

[karrotsishere]

Ok so last post before I log off for the nite. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT HUMANS. Racing (horse site folks). 

Neither Globe nor DR has answered my question on Nu-Vet website nor answered question on what happened to those gallop folks. What is the latest update on them? What did they get DONE for? A bunch of them & the vets & the suppliers was it not ... ? High profile case ... yes/no ... ?

Chat tomorrow if not next day. 

PS that stamina, energy etc benefit is an interesting one on the Nu-Vet benefit 6th down.

 

Edited January 27, 2022 by karrotsishere

[Double R]

2 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Ok so last post before I log off for the nite. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT HUMANS. Racing (horse site folks). 

Neither Globe nor DR has answered my question on Nu-Vet website nor answered question on what happened to those gallop folks. What is the latest update on them? What did they get Dunn for? A bunch of them & the vets & the suppliers was it not ... ? High profile case ... yes/no ... ?

Chat tomorrow if not next day. 

 

i wouldn't have a clue about the Nu Vet product you were referring to, but was responding to the thread topic of Stem Cell Treatment.

Nothing happened to the gallops folks, as it is an accepted treatment that is well known to have a good success rate.

[karrotsishere]

17 minutes ago, Double R said:

i wouldn't have a clue about the Nu Vet product you were referring to, but was responding to the thread topic of Stem Cell Treatment.

Nothing happened to the gallops folks, as it is an accepted treatment that is well known to have a good success rate.

Your so funny sometimes. You see this media article states differently. States his vet has been jailed & another whom I meant to mention also Navarro a 5 year sentence. Anyways nite 😃

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/255937/rhein-sentenced-to-three-years-in-prison-in-doping-case

[Double R]

10 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

Your so funny sometimes. You see this media article states differently. States his vet has been jailed & another whom I meant to mention also Navarro a 5 year sentence. Anyways nite 😃

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/255937/rhein-sentenced-to-three-years-in-prison-in-doping-case

That is good.

[Purple Parsnip]

13 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

What was the peeps in the USA Dunn for the gallops peeps? J Servis?

Surely you mean Done not Dunn

[karrotsishere]

Looks like another vet Fishman currently on trial may also be doing the jailhouse rock with that other vet & Navarro.

It was nearly two years ago when former harness horse trainer Ross Cohen was among 27 trainers, veterinarians, & others snared in the largest horse doping prosecution in U.S. history.

Cohen, 50, of upstate New York, testified he discussed with Fishman a product called "Frozen Pain."

"He said it takes away pain and stops horses from getting tired in a race," he said. "It had a performance enhancing effect."

Cohen admitted to a checkered past when he was a harness trainer. He served suspensions for drugs and had been barred from racing at Monticello Race Track and Yonkers. He was eventually allowed to return to Yonkers.

In the plea agreement, Cohen admitted to fixing races.

"I paid drivers for somebody to hold their horses back in races," he testified.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/256378/cohen-takes-the-stand-as-fishman-trial-continues

 

Edited January 27, 2022 by karrotsishere

[karrotsishere]

7 hours ago, Purple Parsnip said:

Surely you mean Done not Dunn

Correct. Done. Thank you for the correction.  Sir G & I must make a note to ourselves not to spell enough / enuff on here! To appease Ranga. 

Why do you have 2 profiles on here Ranga? 

Edited January 27, 2022 by karrotsishere

[karrotsishere]

Taking a further look at website wonder if this is something that might become like Blood Spinning.

Which when 1st started in NZ Harness, use was LEGAL BUT had a 1 day stand down. Due to much vocal voicing from many, that stand down rule changed from 1 day prior a race to 7 DAYS. The blood spinning machine was then moved on. And seemingly NOT used at all or much in HARNESS NZ nowadays.

Re Stem Cell Treatment - I once drove someone to get stem cell treatment, drove them for hours to a specialist doc, whom performed the procedure on them. It was somewhat costly. The procedure was performed on the actual body part in need.

It was not a case of buy a somewhat affordable formula & inject it over a course of approx 4-6 weeks into any random body part yourself.

Edited January 27, 2022 by karrotsishere

[karrotsishere]

On an unrelated different note - More on the current USA case at trial for anyone interested. Find it all quite interesting. The vet Fishman case. 

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/256269/ex-fishman-employee-testifies-of-untestable-drugs

The entire morning and most of the afternoon featured a second day of testimony from a woman who worked for Fishman at his Florida business Equestology for five years.

Courtney Adams, 34, testifying from Florida via video conference, told jurors that Fishman and Equestology were all about "testability." That meant creating "product" that couldn't be detected in post-race testing by horse racing authorities, she said.

During her testimony in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, prosecutors showed an email in which a veterinarian who was a client of Equestology asked about one of the products, equine growth hormone, and whether it was testable.

"That was our biggest selling point, that he specialized in making product that wasn't testable," Adams testified, referring to Fishman.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/256354/fishman-the-question-is-is-it-testable-doping

The jury in the federal horse-doping trial of Seth Fishman heard Jan. 25 a portion of a Federal Bureau of Investigation wiretap in which the veterinarian discusses whether the drugs he sold to horse trainers involved doping.

On the call with Fishman was an unidentified individual who wants to know more about the drugs.

"But it's not doping, yeah?" that person asks, according to a transcript of the April 5, 2019 intercepted call.

"Of course, it's doping, the question is, is it testable doping?" Fishman responds, according to the transcript.

"Ah, test," says the individual.

"No, no, no, what I'm trying to say is, any time you give something to a horse, that's doping," Fishman responds. "Whether or not they test for it is another story. This is stuff people are using all the time, so no, they're not testing for it. You know, but don't kid yourself. If you're giving something to a horse to make it better and you're not supposed to do that…"

"Yeah sure," the individual interjects.

"…That's doping," Fishman continues. "You know, whether or not it's testable, that's a different story."

Edited January 27, 2022 by karrotsishere

[karrotsishere]

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/documents-show-veterinarians-untimely-death-panicked-doping-defendants/

So begins the transcript of a telephone call that's one of the more sensational pieces of evidence divulged thus far in the ongoing federal doping cases. The transcript was attached to a government motion in November as part of the lesser-reported federal case of Louis Grasso, Donato Poliseno, Thomas Guido III, Richard Banca, and Rene Allard. That case is before a different judge than the monster indictment that includes high-profile Thoroughbred trainers Jorge Navarro and Jason Servis. The Servis et al case saw its first set of defendants go to trial last week, with veterinarian and drug maker Dr. Seth Fishman and sales associate Lisa Giannelli in court.

The Grasso case, which involves primarily harness racing connections, is still trading earlier-stage motions.

In response to one of those motions, prosecutors filed a series of legal arguments, and in one of them, felt the need to clarify the role of defendant Donato Poliseno in the alleged doping scheme. Poliseno, the prosecutors claim, was an animal drug dealer who created and distributed performance-enhancing substances for racehorses outside the regulation of the Food and Drug Administration. Attached to the prosecution's motion was a batch of transcripts from intercepted phone calls between Poliseno and co-defendant Louis Grasso.

Grasso, while trained as a veterinarian, was not (according to the government) actively practicing, but rather focused on drug distribution and compounding.

The disclosed transcripts are all from phone calls between Poliseno and Grasso, who appeared to be in contact regularly in the fall of 2019. Over a series of calls, Poliseno grew increasingly worried about the death of a man in the woods in Delaware, who appears to have been veterinarian Dr. Edward Conner.

Poliseno then turned the conversation to what Conner's disappearance and death could mean for him. He had been using Conner's veterinary license information to purchase drugs for resale, and now he believed he was about to be caught.

[karrotsishere]

Here is 1 more. Last 1, Ill post. This person got 18 months jailhouse. Was sentenced last year Sept.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/253114/eighteen-months-in-prison-for-former-pharmacist-mangini

Mangini, a former pharmacist whose license was suspended in 2016, sold these drugs through several direct-to-consumer websites designed to appeal to racehorse trainers and owners, including, among others, "horseprerace.com" and "racehorsemeds.com."  

Among the drugs advertised and sold during the course of the conspiracy were "blood builders," which are used by racehorse trainers and others to increase red blood cell counts and/or the oxygenation of muscle tissue of a racehorse in order to stimulate the horse's endurance. Improved endurance enhances the horse's performance in, and recovery from, a race.

Also advertised and sold during the conspiracy were customized analgesics, which are used by racehorse trainers and others to deaden a horse's nerves and block pain in order to improve a horse's race performance.  

Mangini and his co-conspirators repeatedly touted illegal drugs sold on these websites as substances that "will not test" in the event of drug screens by racing officials. For example, Mangini's pain-numbing product "Numb It Injection" was advertised as a "proprietary formula and without question the most powerful pain shot in the market today AND WILL NOT TEST." Customers were expressly directed to administer the drug by "injection as close to the event or extreme exercise as possible."

Mangini is among 29 individuals charged to date in a series of indictments arising from an investigation of the widespread scheme.

J Servis trial is sometime this year.

Edited January 28, 2022 by karrotsishere

[karrotsishere]

Ill do a trivial question. Anyone can answer, if no-one can come up with the answer Ill answer myself later tomorrow or tonight. 

Part 1 - Why was the FBI mainly focused on individuals of these cases that were allegedly the suppliers & or manufactures of products oppose the end user?

Part 2 - The fact that they focused on the above does that mean there were no end users?

Hint think P/Meth or any other type of human drug for e.g. When you read a story about a big drug bust, which was likely undercover & over a period of time, why did they charge those and target the suppliers or the higher up on the drug chain oppose the end users?

Edited January 28, 2022 by karrotsishere

[karrotsishere]

11 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

Part 1 - Why was the FBI mainly focused on individuals of these cases that were allegedly the suppliers & or manufactures of products oppose the end user?

Part 2 - The fact that they focused on the above does that mean there were no end users?

No takers hey, well here are the answers

Part 1 - “Prosecutors allege that Fishman was especially sought after because he claimed that his products wouldn't appear in customary post-race testing”. As per the article below for reference. 

** My answer would be to Cut the Head off the Snake or to get the BIG FISH over the small fish**

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/256416/fishman-elects-not-to-testify-after-prosecution-rests

Prosecutors have accused Fishman of manufacturing illegal performance-enhancing drugs that harness and Thoroughbred trainers, including Navarro, administered to their horses to win lucrative purses and enhance their reputation. Prosecutors say those charged acted without regard to horse welfare, risking breakdowns and death.

Part 2 - YES of course there are END USERS. Have read articles where more than 1 end user or small fish has flipped & taken a plea deal by becoming a witness for the prosecutor.

[karrotsishere]

Ok thought Id post this here @Happy Sunrise check out what a person said as a witness when she discovered her horse improve. The very last 3 sentences are great. 1 of the witnesses admitted wrong-doing and changing his ways. 

Two current trainers testified Jan. 27 at Dr. Seth Fishman's horse doping trial that they raced horses on illegal performance-enhancing drugs that came from the accused veterinarian.

The testimony from Adrienne Hall and Jamen Davidovich highlighted the seventh day of Fishman's trial on adulteration and misbranding conspiracy charges. Fishman was one of 27 individuals charged in the case and is the first on trial. Those charged include two prominent trainers–Jason Servis, who is awaiting trial, and Jorge Navarro, who pleaded guilty and has been sentenced to five years in prison.

Hall, of Monroe, New Jersey, trains horses at the Sunshine Meadows harness track in Florida and last raced a Standardbred last month in New Jersey. Davidovich, also an owner, raced primarily in the Mid-Atlantic in 2020-21. He has starts this year in New York and Ohio and says he approaches the sport now more as a hobby.

Both told the jury of eight women and four men how they went about getting in touch with Fishman in 2017 and 2018 with the sole intention of obtaining from PEDs that wouldn't show up in post-race testing.

“His reputation preceded him,” Davidovich, 31, of Pennsylvania said.

Hall testified Fishman gave her a PED called VO2 Max, which she used to dope a horse and win a harness race in March 2019. Prosecutors have elicited testimony that VO2 Max increases horses' oxygen levels that enable them to run faster and longer but at risk to their safety and well-being.

The jury heard a portion of an FBI wiretap that captured Hall excitedly telling Fishman about the first-place finish.

“I wish you could have seen the race,” Hall says to the veterinarian. “He was so fantastic. He dominated. He was a completely different animal. I was so happy.”

Hall added the horse's final quarter time was 27 seconds.

“What is it usually?” Fishman asks.

“Usually it's :28 or :29 and struggling,” she responds.

Hall testified that the PEDs were a gift from Fishman. She said she believed that was the case because Fishman wanted her to connect him to two trainers she knew.

One of those trainers was Todd Pletcher, the Hall of Famer who runs a large stable.

His name was revealed under cross-examination by Fishman attorney Maurice Sercarz.

Prosecutor Sarah Mortazavi, who initially questioned Hall, never asked Hall to reveal the names during her direct examination.

At the start of her direct testimony, Hall had said that before she got her trainer's license, she worked at two Thoroughbred farms and for Pletcher's stable in an administrative position, not with horses.

Hall told Sercarz that even though she told Fishman she would contact Pletcher, she never did.

Mortazavi then asked why that was when she questioned the witness again.

“He would never take my advice or opinion,” Hall testified, referring to Pletcher. “I would never approach him about something like that.”

Hall was on the witness stand, testifying against Fishman as part of a non-prosecution agreement with prosecutors. They agreed not to prosecute her for doping horses.

Davidovich was testifying without any such agreement. Instead, he invoked his Fifth Amendment right not to testify and then was compelled to testify by Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil under a grant of immunity. Under a grant of immunity, a witness can't be charged with any crimes he or she admits to.

Hall and Davidovich could, however, potentially face sanctions from regulators after their testimony. Servis and Navarro have been suspended from racing, as have other indicted individuals.

Davidovich told the jury Fishman began supplying him with PEDs after a meeting at a sushi bar in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. He said there was a third person at the meeting, a person he described as “my owner.”

Asked by prosecutor Anden Chow how the subject of PEDs came up, Davidovich responded, “We were talking about different things to make the horse run better.”

Davidovich said that as they got to know each other, Fishman complained to him about Navarro. Prosecutors say Fishman was one of Navarro's suppliers of banned PEDs.

“He said Navarro owed him a lot of money, and he was going to cut him off if he didn't pay,” the witness testified. “He also said he didn't want [Navarro] taking down the whole ship because he had a loud mouth.”

Davidovich said Fishman was referring to a video shot at Monmouth Park in which Navarro and one of his owners bragged after winning a race that Navarro was the “Juice Man.”

Davidovich said he stopped doping horses in 2018 after meeting Dr. Steve Allday, a well-known Thoroughbred veterinarian.

“He was the first person in the business who took me under his wing and taught me a different way of being involved in horse racing,” he testified.

He added: “I know what I did was wrong, and I wanted to move forward in a different way.”

[karrotsishere]

May as well give Verdict of Vet Fisherman as have mentioned trial above. Jury has found him guilty & could face up to 15 years in prison USA.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/256531/fishman-guilty-in-ped-case-faces-15-years-in-prison