Lightning Blue Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 3 hours ago, karrotsishere said: Or will they ... does the Club have any $ to relocate? CEO current allegations doesnt help. Nor does fact Racing Minister has threatened to pull funding. Any thoughts or inside knowledge Lightening? Think they will be stuffed. Mega-expensive to set up these days. Gold Coast was last 'New' one in 1990 , magnificent track /facilty and then they took it all away for buildings athletes village for 2018 Commonwealth Games. (2010) club there never recovered. (It was about an hour on road from Brisbane) Brisbane trotting Club has been 'propped up' for years by past president Kevin Seymour , and fellow Millionaire Chris Garrard (from Horse and Hound supplies) and both have been/ or are club patrons. They've poured 10s of 1000s $$$ into the industry as is their passion. (Kevin also has a stud farm lol) So harness racing would of crashed and burned long ago without those 2 wonderful gentlemen. They're both elderly now, and Chris health Not that great recent years, so Dare say They both will have had enough (retire from it all) in 4 years time .......... and that will be it . the death knell bell . all over rover ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Ok folks could someone pls enlighten me. Thought had this nailed down but still a bit confused. When does the season end!? The CEO a couple weeks back said in an radio interview more $ has been allocated to 2nd half of season. M Purdon on an interview talked about 2nd 1/2 of season also meaning post July 2022. There were words put out as such by HRNZ that 1 Aug 2021 thru to 31 Dec 2021 was an extra transit season. And they have started a count of Jewels prize money, Driver premiership points, Jnr Driver points & trainer premiership count from 1 Jan 2022. Racing calendar is still til 31 July, new calendar is from 1 Aug. Cambridge Raceway have sent an email out saying final meeting this season coming up! Words were said by owners that breeding season will stay same that its just horses birthdays that have changed to 1 Jan. Drivers were also saying, birthday only has changed not the season. So wtf is it? Edited July 18, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, karrotsishere said: Racing calendar is still til 31 July, new calendar is from 1 Aug. Cambridge Raceway have sent an email out saying final meeting this season coming up! Cambridge have a 2 win bonus incentive. So does that mean their season ends 31st July 2022? And a new count to begin 1 Aug 2022? Meanwhile HRNZ have their count going from 1 Jan 2022 - 31 Dec 2022. Talk about make it blimmin confusing to figure out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Blue Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, karrotsishere said: Meanwhile HRNZ have their count going from 1 Jan 2022 - 31 Dec 2022. Yes the change came in for this year. Second year of it in Aus now. makes perfect sense. Just too early to have them running in the spring as 2 yearolds in the past, but From Now on ............ some great Spring 2 year old racing. It will be great !!! as you can have some BIG races at the famous November Nz Cup meeting for 2 year olds this time round before they turn 3 on January 1st. When usually it has been the 3 yearolds getting the glory (Sires Stakes ) in Nov over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, Lightning Blue said: Yes the change came in for this year. Second year of it in Aus now. makes perfect sense. Just too early to have them running in the spring as 2 yearolds in the past, but From Now on ............ some great Spring 2 year old racing. It will be great !!! as you can have some BIG races at the famous November Nz Cup meeting for 2 year olds this time round before they turn 3 on January 1st. When usually it has been the 3 yearolds getting the glory (Sires Stakes ) in Nov over the years. Ok so your saying that Cambridge (Waikato/Bay of Plenty Club) is on a different page to HRNZ? By stating season ending soon. Come watch 1 of the last meetings of season. One would think ALL would be on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) If you look at HRNZ under racing dates. It has the list of racing dates season as 2021/2022 ending 31 July 2022 & season 2022/2023 season starting from 1 Aug 2022. Edited July 18, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) I wrote to Catherine McDonald asking the very things that have been rightly questioned on this thread, and here is her reply which you can decide for yourselves. Hi Robert Thanks for your query. Unfortunately the dates are done by the TAB by financial year which is August 1 to July 31st. I realise this is confusing given the age of the horse is Jan 1 through December 31st however the other codes have not changed so we have to work with them in confirming race meetings. These are the current licenced meetings for the next financial season. I’ll get someone to add a short explanation onto the website if possible to explain this. Kind regards Catherine Catherine McDonaldGeneral Manager – Racing, Marketing & Communications Edited July 18, 2022 by Double R 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 Thanks for that DR. The Lous get there chance this weekend to grab G1 glory at Albion Park. Grab it before the track disappears. Friendly banter has already started between Lightening & Karrots. Karrots on the Kiwi born Lous in the G1 races. Lightening on the Aussies born & bred. Spirit needs to let Turn it Up & Alta Orlando speed out of gate as they usually do, then he needs to make his move to take the front once the dust has settled. Cantfindabettorman, leader or trail if too push pressure. But as Lightening suggests hasnt run past 2200m, & Lous noticibly better over hard fast mile, can he go the distance. We shall wait & see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Double R said: I wrote to Catherine McDonald asking the very things that have been rightly questioned on this thread, and here is her reply which you can decide for yourselves. Hi Robert Thanks for your query. Unfortunately the dates are done by the TAB by financial year which is August 1 to July 31st. I realise this is confusing given the age of the horse is Jan 1 through December 31st however the other codes have not changed so we have to work with them in confirming race meetings. These are the current licenced meetings for the next financial season. I’ll get someone to add a short explanation onto the website if possible to explain this. Kind regards Catherine Catherine McDonaldGeneral Manager – Racing, Marketing & Communications My reply this morning to Catherine. I will advise when I get a reply. Good morning Catherine. Thanks for your reply. Another thought I had was, as they are only dates for our season, would it impact on the TAB if HRNZ on their own website put in the months, January to December for 2022, and then showed the dates confirmed for the first seven months of 2023, with a note that the 2023 dates are only confirmed until 31st July 2023? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Double R said: My reply this morning to Catherine. I will advise when I get a reply. Good morning Catherine. Thanks for your reply. Another thought I had was, as they are only dates for our season, would it impact on the TAB if HRNZ on their own website put in the months, January to December for 2022, and then showed the dates confirmed for the first seven months of 2023, with a note that the 2023 dates are only confirmed until 31st July 2023? Think just keep it as simple as possible for the people. Lots of confusion from what Im hearing. These sorts of statements made during interviews by the CEO make it easy to mis-interpret. This is up on HRNZ website. Date 26/06/22 - Trots Chat Show Titled Trotstalk with HRNZ CEO. In last 2 mins of interview. Heres the transcipt. CEO - "Greg Im so looking forward to the 2nd half of 2022. We did put forward probably more of the riches at the 2nd than the 1st half, but we did if for a purpose as well. People to learn & then to adjust. If you put it up at the start people would have missed out. So Im really looking forward to the next half". GREG O- "Im very much looking forward to the Dec 4th meetinf. Starting to look like something quite sensational. You are going to have both Derbys, you are going to have 4 effectively old Jewels 2yos so there is a lot to look forward to isnt there". CEO - "Absouletly bring it on". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 Ps its nice you got a reply. Sounds like maybe she needs a promotion. Whenever Iv contacted they have only ever replied when they want something or money, otherwise ignore. Maybe Catherine for CEO? Hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Parsnip Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 22 hours ago, karrotsishere said: Cambridge have a 2 win bonus incentive. So does that mean their season ends 31st July 2022? And a new count to begin 1 Aug 2022? Meanwhile HRNZ have their count going from 1 Jan 2022 - 31 Dec 2022. Talk about make it blimmin confusing to figure out. From Mike Tod, CEO TAB August 1 marks the dawning of a new season for all three racing codes in New Zealand and it also signals the start of TAB NZ's new financial year. We're incredibly proud of what the business has delivered to racing, sport and communities in New Zealand in the past 12 months. We are on track to distribute more than $200 million for the first time in our history. This would not have been possible without your support of TAB NZ. And it's important to note that several million dollars of this also goes to gambling harm minimisation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 12:39 PM, karrotsishere said: when he won NZ Cup Super cute article on Harness Link worth sharing, about former NZ Cup winner The Fixer, is now clerk of the course horse. https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/former-nz-cup-winner-back-on-track/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) On 7/18/2022 at 5:00 PM, Lightning Blue said: Think they will be stuffed. Mega-expensive to set up these days. Gold Coast was last 'New' one in 1990 , magnificent track /facilty and then they took it all away for buildings athletes village for 2018 Commonwealth Games. (2010) club there never recovered. (It was about an hour on road from Brisbane) Brisbane trotting Club has been 'propped up' for years by past president Kevin Seymour , and fellow Millionaire Chris Garrard (from Horse and Hound supplies) and both have been/ or are club patrons. They've poured 10s of 1000s $$$ into the industry as is their passion. (Kevin also has a stud farm lol) So harness racing would of crashed and burned long ago without those 2 wonderful gentlemen. They're both elderly now, and Chris health Not that great recent years, so Dare say They both will have had enough (retire from it all) in 4 years time .......... and that will be it . the death knell bell . all over rover ... Who is your pick Lightening to be put forward as new CEO Albion Park? Waving bye bye to the old one. Edited July 19, 2022 by karrotsishere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) On 7/19/2022 at 8:36 AM, Double R said: Ill get someone to add a short explanation onto the website if possible to explain this. Kind regards Catherine McDonaldGeneral Manager – Racing, Marketing & Communications Might be a good idea for them to do this sooner rather than later. Just noticed another forum has just begun talking about this, well squabbling about what it is or isnt. No one seems to know or got the memo. Perhaps HRNZ could also explain why they changed the premiership trainer & driver count. Didnt need to be changed. If its because a couple of major race dates were moved, that they didnt want missed towards premiership count. Then why was it ok to miss the top race NZ Cup 2021 towards premiership count? (that got missed due to going in transit madeup season). Quite frankly I think looking at it, they have screwed this up. On another note, little Mr Lightening what are you up to lol. Im on the Lous for the Derby Edited July 21, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 23, 2022 Author Share Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 7:17 PM, karrotsishere said: Who is your pick Lightening to be put forward as new CEO Albion Park? Waving bye bye to the old one. For anyone interested in reading. https://inqld.com.au/news/2022/07/22/after-12-months-hanging-on-racing-boss-finally-stood-down-over-sex-assault-claims/ Ps Go the Lous tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 23, 2022 Author Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Gospel Of Judas said: Scandal and bookmaker. Like Bill Waterhouse returns! Googled that interesting! Yea was reading on a Channel 7 or 9 Oz news twitter feed that he is getting FULL pay, while standing down! Guess until trial, which will be either innocent or guilty. 17 hours ago, karrotsishere said: Go the Lous tonight! They all performed admirably. G1 Oaks Steno 3rd, used that Lou high speed to speed to lead, but couldnt hold out the strong fast finishes of 1st & 2nd place. Well done to all connections. G1 Derby Cantfindabettorman 2nd, used his Lou high speed to secure trail, but was no match for the Leap of Fame. Congrats at all connections. G1 Blakes a Fake Spirit of St Lou 2nd, Brave effort after burning to lead. To then be attacked by the rank outsider! Who had come from the 2nd row out the car park draw yet chose to keep pushing on attacking Spirit, oppose just parking. Spirit having to burn much longer & was then vunerable in later stages. Drivers should be fined for doing that on rank outsiders. Different story if horse is over-racing (which he wasnt). BS if u ask me! Turn It Up, great run. Read a neat story on Harness Link about him having bad legs/feet & athritis. So well done on 3rd to connections. And congrats to Spirits connections for a brave 2nd. Edited July 23, 2022 by karrotsishere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Gospel Of Judas said: Usually be full pay while it happens re trial . Then can if guilty, got no obligations towards him moving forward. Depending on employments conditions and Ok. Thanks interesting. Edited July 24, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Gospel Of Judas said: Goes both ways that, male and females. Some complete shockers out there. Then when shit hits fan, they first one runing for legal protection. Agree my friend. Edited July 24, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) Lol Edited July 24, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) . Edited July 24, 2022 by karrotsishere Back to racing talk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Gospel Of Judas said: Goes both ways that, male and females. Some complete shockers out there. Then when shit hits fan, they first one runing for legal protection. Yes very true. Anyway back to racing talk. Edited July 24, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) Yes very true. Anyway back to racing talk. Edited July 24, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 2:27 PM, Double R said: My reply this morning to Catherine. I will advise when I get a reply. Good morning Catherine. Thanks for your reply. Another thought I had was, as they are only dates for our season, would it impact on the TAB if HRNZ on their own website put in the months, January to December for 2022, and then showed the dates confirmed for the first seven months of 2023, with a note that the 2023 dates are only confirmed until 31st July 2023? The response, and my reply to Cambridge Harness Racing Club. Hi Robert, Thanks for your enquiry, I totally understand the confusion. We have possibly worded that not quite right but ill give you some insight so you know where we are coming from. The Horses birthday has changed so they are now running on a January to December basis and for all intents and purposes this is their racing season. For us and most harness clubs, our financial season still runs with the old calendar, which means that HRNZ still provide us with our season dates from August to July. I’m hoping that this will change soon and that the two will align again to save us all from a bit of confusion haha. I hope this has answered your question, please let me know if I can help you with anything else. Kind regards Ash Ashleigh Hopping Partnerships Coordinator | Cambridge Raceway. My reply. Thanks Ashleigh for your email. A suggestion. Why not run your race dates from 1st of January 2022 to 31st of December 2022, and then from 1st of January 2023 to the 31st of July 2023, with a footnote advising that the race dates for the final part of the year 2023 are not finalised until June 2023. I hope this might be of some assistance in solving the situation. Kind Regards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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