curious Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I don't have the numbers but doubt the TA performance is any better or worse than anyone else who buys and races horses here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allovertheform Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, curious said: I don't have the numbers but doubt the TA performance is any better or worse than anyone else who buys and races horses here? But are the spending the amounts TA are???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Allovertheform said: But are the spending the amounts TA are???? Doesn't really matter does it? On average I'd say they all do about the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, vanturk said: I am for 1 looking now at shares in aussie trained , raced. The $$$ just don't stack up here for thoroughbred racing So, do aussie trained and raced horses do better financially on average than NZ ones? Where did you see that? Edited January 10, 2023 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanturk Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, curious said: So, do aussie trained and raced horses do better financially on average than NZ ones? Where did you see See what? Your trying to compare apples with apples. I don't. Simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Somebody posted that the drums were beating that Te Akau were setting up in Aus??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 For all you knockers out there here is facts from after the Magic Millions... Here we aim to highlight the Top 5 buyers that we observed in our 2015–2021 yearling dataset. David Ellis (Te Akau) — 17.02% stakes winners to purchases On raw numbers, founder and principal of Te Akau racing in New Zealand — David Ellis — performed as the top purchaser of yearlings globally on our buyer dataset between 2015–2021. We identified 188 yearling purchases, an average spend of $212,872 AUD and with a stakes return of 32 winners (17.02%) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, RJB said: For all you knockers out there here is facts from after the Magic Millions... Here we aim to highlight the Top 5 buyers that we observed in our 2015–2021 yearling dataset. David Ellis (Te Akau) — 17.02% stakes winners to purchases On raw numbers, founder and principal of Te Akau racing in New Zealand — David Ellis — performed as the top purchaser of yearlings globally on our buyer dataset between 2015–2021. We identified 188 yearling purchases, an average spend of $212,872 AUD and with a stakes return of 32 winners (17.02%) That's interesting, but how many of those 32 winners were purchased under or over the average spend. That is the real telling factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Not sure but its no mean feat to be the leading buyer in the Southern hemisphere...love them or hate them he does know how to find a good one.I am believer of no matter what they are by or out of if they aint athletes first and foremost they won't run...pedigrees are made not bought...the page only tells you how much the particular athlete will cost...my opinion but I learnt from one of the best judges ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanturk Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, RJB said: Not sure but its no mean feat to be the leading buyer in the Southern hemisphere...love them or hate them he does know how to find a good one.I am believer of no matter what they are by or out of if they aint athletes first and foremost they won't run...pedigrees are made not bought...the page only tells you how much the particular athlete will cost...my opinion but I learnt from one of the best judges ever. Also there's more to it than purchases? Mark walker plays a big part, staff play there part, and Mr Ellis does do a good job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 While not related directly to the topic, but related to the title of this thread, there is a reasonable chance Te Akau will take out all 6 races tomorrow, Legarto being the main likely party pooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 great days racing and no doubt THE best horses in NZ are on show part from 1 Sharp N Smart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, RJB said: great days racing and no doubt THE best horses in NZ are on show part from 1 Sharp N Smart. Half a day's racing, really. Unlike Magic Millions' full 10-race card. Most of the best 2yo and 3yos, sure ... but no Sharp N Smart, no Dark Destroyer, no Levante. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Has appeal as a spectacle Max, but from a punting viewpoint just a borefest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 41 minutes ago, RJB said: great days racing and no doubt THE best horses in NZ are on show part from 1 Sharp N Smart. Agree to some extent, but the best stayers and sprinters are missing, also the focus is on 1200-1600m 3 year olds, so several Oaks and Derby contenders are missing as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, Turny said: Has appeal as a spectacle Max, but from a punting viewpoint just a borefest yes mate, but why cant they run at least an 8-race card? It's not as if the sales are on same day or even the next day 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Here's more food for thought ... of the 8 races at Gold Coast worth $1M or more, only one trainer won 2 races (Tony Gollan). The riches get spread around a lot more than the TA Benefit aka Karaka Millions. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Now you are talking nonsense...anyone can compete in the KM races...maybe some others should get some better clients or better judges to buy their horses how can you decry a person being successful if they are prepared to go the extra mile to achieve that the TA team spend months looking at the horses and leave no stone unturned to make sure they buy the right ones and then the whole team then has to go out and sell probably 100 plus shares, you think that is easy...come on get real.......you seem very narrow minded...JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Great ride great team effort...looks like a top class horse...alot of happy owners I would think...do the hard yards and you deserve to get the results.just my thoughts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 We might actually monitor the 2022 Karaka yearlings purchased by David Ellis, on this thread, to see how they go. 32 yearlings apparently purchased, so give me a week or 2 to track down all the info to date, and I will post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Haha some just cant accept people being successful..7 straight no matter who it is that is some team effort...but some will never admit it...just saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Maybe you should listen to people who have done the stats already...he is not the only one who spends up big but he has the best record of them all...I do not have any association with TA just feel credit should be given where it is due. David Ellis — performed as the top purchaser of yearlings globally on our buyer dataset between 2015–2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 I'm not disputing he spends up large and has a lot of success, and I have commented a number of times on the positives Te Akau have for the industry, but, Allovertheform, presented data on purchases $400K and over in the last 5 years, showing 13 mil spent for $773,000 return in stakes, so we will just do a follow up on that for the 32 yearlings bought at the 2022 sale. It is all data in public forum, just a matter of putting it all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Why only single him out...there are many big buyers in the SH why do you choose only to focus on him????Is there a reason??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 No, the topic was bought up initially by Allover and data presented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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