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The result is a joke...and McNab should count his blessings he got off so lightly...he made zero effort to do anything to correct her...we should have the same system as in some other countries, if you cause interference you are disqualified...that takes all these incorrect decisions out of the hands of people who may have a vested interest in the result...cause interference to another runner and out you go ..end of story.

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3 minutes ago, Hesi said:

As I pointed out to Maxi, it was not worth the effort of the connections of Defibrillate lodging a protest, as the best they could have got was Prowess relegated back to 5th with their horse moving up one place to 4th and an extra $12,800 in prize money.

Defibrillate was severely checked by Prowess taking it's line when it was not entitled to do so, causing Defibrillate to lose momentum.

It was serious enough for the stipes to initiate an inquiry, which i was surprised they did not.  Okay, the judicial committee may well have found in favour of Prowess, but it was never the subject of scrutiny.

But if it was that serious (or even potentially bringing about change), the jockey/connections would do it. The prize money not being a reason not to. You'd do it in the interests of racing.

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8 minutes ago, RJB said:

The result is a joke...and McNab should count his blessings he got off so lightly...he made zero effort to do anything to correct her...we should have the same system as in some other countries, if you cause interference you are disqualified...that takes all these incorrect decisions out of the hands of people who may have a vested interest in the result...cause interference to another runner and out you go ..end of story.

Agree

The way it is at the moment, is anything goes, take the chance and be dammed  It is in the book now a G1 to Prowess, and good on her, as we all want to see top horses on the racecourse, winning

McNab will get looked after, he has just earned connections a G1, and for a filly that is gold.

 

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17 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Maybe what is in the best interests of racing is a misnomer.  You don't normally see things done in the best interests of racing, quite the opposite, parochialism reigns supreme, from my observation

 

Isn't that the issue though. The connections didn't protest supposedly because they don't do what is in the best interests of racing. And the stewards didn't protest supposedly because they don't do what is in the best interests of racing. 

Or they both didn't protest because the outcome was likely clearcut. The jockey was charged for breaching the rules and the placings didn't change.

 

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Just now, mardigras said:

ok, playing devil's advocate. Maybe they didn't want a protest lodged because if successful, that would give TA another G1. Many seem to be against TA dominating.

(I still believe a protest had 2 shows. A shit show and no show.)

That is a possible scenario if the stipes do not run the show and affects the integrity of racing

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Jockeys are taking advantage of the existing system

Straighten the horse and he almost certainly loses

Keep going and he puts it to chance that any interference is dismissed

Keep going and win and keep the race, but with a sizeable penalty, he knows he will be looked after

RJB's point is a good one, cause interference and get disqualified.  That way jockeys will think twice about a win at all costs.

We saw that with Bosson a few months ago.  He did not straighten the horse, because he would not have won had he done so.  In that particular case there were other potential very serious consequences

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1 hour ago, mardigras said:

ok, playing devil's advocate. Maybe they didn't want a protest lodged because if successful, that would give TA another G1. Many seem to be against TA dominating.

(I still believe a protest had 2 shows. A shit show and no show.)

So you think it was OK what McNab did????

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1 minute ago, RJB said:

So you think it was OK what McNab did????

No. Not at all. I'm not even discussing what he did. I'm discussing whether Defibrillate should have been involved in a protest. It would have been a waste of time. 

If I was to discuss the actions of the rider, he should have got a suspension. I'm assuming he did in line with the rules. If we had disqualification for breaking such rules, then he should be disqualified.

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So what we have come to, is the existing rules are an ass.  Jockeys break them because they know the consequences that can be levelled against them under current rules are reasonably inconsequential and they will be looked after by very grateful connections

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Another scenario then

McNab badly interferes with Defibrillate and indirectly La Crique, because he knows that close to home, if they lose momentum, they have no chance of regaining it, there fore will finish far enough behind him, that it makes any protest futile.

You can debate all day whether Defibrillate was going well enough, only an objective and skilled eye could judge that.  No point asking Roger James or the connections of Defibrillate

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33 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Another scenario then

McNab badly interferes with Defibrillate and indirectly La Crique, because he knows that close to home, if they lose momentum, they have no chance of regaining it, there fore will finish far enough behind him, that it makes any protest futile.

that's a nonsense scenario, he doesn't have the time to think about that and frankly he's not smart enough to think about that

current rules are better than the old rules, it's all in the policing

 

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Irrespective of all the points and opinions,  those horses interfered with were entitled to a clear shot at the line,  which then allows a determination of the best horse on that day.

They were denied that.  Prowess may - probably is - the best horse but it wasn't fairly demonstrated.

 

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48 minutes ago, Our Maizcay said:

if I owned Prowess i'd want him to do what he did

straighten the horse and lose or keep going, win and take your chances in the room - give me the latter everyday

And that is where its wrong...the rule is wrong the decision should be taken out of the hands of either biased or inexperienced people in a closed room..JMO.That would be fair for all concerned this type of BS decision happens to often in NZ and sometimes in Oz as well..its all subjective opinions...have a clear rule interfere and out you go.

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3 minutes ago, Freda said:

Irrespective of all the points and opinions,  those horses interfered with were entitled to a clear shot at the line,  which then allows a determination of the best horse on that day.

They were denied that.  Prowess may - probably is - the best horse but it wasn't fairly demonstrated.

 

That is exactly the point I am trying to make, and the rules the way they are set, encourages that

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4 minutes ago, Freda said:

Irrespective of all the points and opinions,  those horses interfered with were entitled to a clear shot at the line,  which then allows a determination of the best horse on that day.

They were denied that.  Prowess may - probably is - the best horse but it wasn't fairly demonstrated.

 

I agree 100%

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I would suggest it is well known amongst jockey ranks, that if you are going to chop a horse out, do it 150-200m out, as it will finish far enough behind to make a protest a waste of time.  50m out and the margin is likely to be small enough to warrant critiquing.  Do it 300m out and the impeded horse has a chance to recover

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15 hours ago, RJB said:

The result is a joke...and McNab should count his blessings he got off so lightly...he made zero effort to do anything to correct her...we should have the same system as in some other countries, if you cause interference you are disqualified...that takes all these incorrect decisions out of the hands of people who may have a vested interest in the result...cause interference to another runner and out you go ..end of story.

Yes.   Agreed.    It also removes the bias - or incompetence - of stipes who can't see properly.

Curious will know,  I think there are pretty strict rules in the U.S on this matter.  I seem to recall an incident in one of the major classics that would have gone unnoticed here, or at the worst, the rider would have been cautioned to 'show more care in future '.

No pissing around there, disqualified. 

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