Allovertheform

16 minutes ago, Our Maizcay said:

who's manipulating figures?  this thread is almost starting to read like some sort of conspiracy or fraud is taking place

he buys horses, he syndicates them, people choose to join, they know what it costs, they pay their bills, if they want out they can, .... 

like I said, the only people he needs to answer to are the owners

That's your interpretation of what's being said. But if you can come to that conclusion from the data I have provided you might be onto something.

1 hour ago, Our Maizcay said:

the owners keep supporting him so he is doing something right - they're the only ones he has to answer to

if the results are as bad as you're making out, then they'd be letting their feet do the talking

I am not making anything out data does not lie and there top end data is not what I would call outstanding, and when you buy in the volume they do it's easy to manipulate the over all figures. 

1 hour ago, Maximus said:

nothing...but would be an interesting analysis of their overall involvement. Since you have their top end stats mebbe you have their bottom ;end stats as well and the overall median purchase price/median stk earnings would be a good way to see the overall picture

MM

No I don't have Over all stats 

22 minutes ago, Maximus said:

So ...whats the median purchase price and median $$ earned on the track?

What's that got to do with there strike rate with there high purchases not measuring up to there price......

42 minutes ago, Hesi said:

You are only looking at the top end stuff though.  You would need to look and analyse the data for all purchases over set period of time to get a more accurate indication of their performance

It will be very similar results due to the top heavy purchases not delivering the results like they predicted at the time of purchase. 

43 minutes ago, PWJ said:

Race 6 - Rosehill R7

1st - 13 Mission Phoenix W-$6.10

2nd - 5 Aleas Q-$13.60  

Scr: 2,4,8

Lightning Blue (with a BB) and PJ snag the quinella in the last while the Newnham winner also tipped by Allovertheform, Robert, Jack and Rex - all with best bets as well as Gary. Jamison - the super sub for the Draft comp - prevails in the hitout with PJ squeezing into 2nd late on. Guess who gets chicken for dinner tonight ? Maria 3rd with LB lobbing home into 4th and this pair sure to be popular in the draft. Captain Smiler, Gary, newbie Allovertheform, Hesi, Tom and Gordy all in profit. Some were clearly lying low today hoping to take the pressure off in their draft selection 😅

521.60 Jamison

396.80 PJ

373.60 Maria

288.40 Lightning Blue

225.80 Smiler

222 Gary

209.80 Allovertheform

188 Hesi

186.80 Tom

186.80 Gordy

161 Rex

161 Robert

122 Jack

99.60 Richie

87.80 Sharne

39 Steve P

38 Ian

38 Max

38 Craig

38 Secret Squirrel

0 Moose

0 Rees

 

Thanks for running today's competition so the newbies could expose some form leading into the draft, would be abit stiff going into a draft with out any exposure evan if it's just a sample size.

Bring on Monday night I hope I am in the first 2 rounds of the draft lol.

4 minutes ago, Hesi said:

You are only looking at the top end stuff though.  You would need to look and analyse the data for all purchases over set period of time to get a more accurate indication of their performance

Going off the top stuff as that's what the pride themselfs on being big buyers at the sales. . . . . .

6 hours ago, Allovertheform said:

Here are some very interesting stats on the top lots $400,000 and above brought by te akau since 2017 all brought at karaka.

 

It does not paint a very good picture. . . . . . .

Going off my statistics above, It cost $593,636.36 per Win not including training fees etc, with return Winning stakes of $733,000 won for an invested sales total of $13,060,000 so for every dollar invested via Te Akau Racing you got a total of 0.05  so a 95% Loss on initial investment and in my personal opinion at this level your not buying a race horse your making an investment, yet people go on how good they are well this info paints another story.

and dont forget to add the $108 + 15% GST per horse for training fees. . . . . .

29 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Noverre retired to Waikato Stud March last year $10,000 fee

But other than that not a very good strike rate later on I will give you some real interesting states based on the above.......

Here are some very interesting stats on the top lots $400,000 and above brought by te akau since 2017 all brought at karaka.

It does not paint a very good picture. . . . . . .

1. Rosehill R1 - 5,12
2. Kumara R7 - 2,4
3. Trentham R6 - 8,19
4. Trentham R7 - 1,6 BB
5. Rosehill R6 - 8,9
6. Rosehill R7 - 12,13 BB

Well let's see might be given the wide birth. 

By the looks of it all both websites are here for the same reasons but would kill each other if there was every a chance. 

Draft please 

It's crazy how the tab go on and on about wanting to stop people betting over seas but don't want to provide up-todate information to give the punter a reason to have a bet, in my personal opinion all the information should be readily available to the punter to help guide the punter into having a wager and maximizing return to the punter.

you actually want punters Winning so they do turn more over the quicker a punter loses his money the less money the tab is making.

I see Zac has called out James around being based in Australia v Hong Kong.

Yes Zac we all no it's good money but there is only a number of world class race meets the rest are just propping up those days unlike Australia (Sydney/Melbourne) and to some point brisbane/gold coast were there is world class race meets 95% of the time and more opportunities to make a living.

I think Zac needs a new challenge himself instead of calling out other jockeys he should be more worried about his own goals he sets himself, what he rode 7 winners on a Average race meet big deal yes I enjoy the Hong Kong races but I rate the horses/races in Australia alot higher.

Anyway that's my 5 cents worth on this look forward to what others have to say on this matter.

4 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Welcome, thanks for joining, go for it, plenty of similar enthusiasts on here

PJ(Peter Jenkins) current comp is about halfway through, but you are welcome to join in the next one.  There are other comps running, just have to keep an eye out

Punters Club has already started sorry, so closed to any new entrants

 

Thanks for the response 

Got mine entered should be abit of fun I don't think it's as straightforward as some would like, I think taking a few that don't set the algorithms off might be the way to play it. 

Question for the team are all the competitions closed off at the moment and the punters club?????

Hi team 

Just joined the site as I am a racing enthusiast and punter.

Mainly follow the Australian racing 

I look forward to having some very open debates on all things racing

Love the breeding side of racing

Cheers