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30 minutes ago, ngakonui grass said:

or was it a case of being given too late.

No by mistake.

39 minutes ago, Hesi said:

So the error is simply one of the meloxicam being given too soon, within the withholding period, not a case of Tokyo Tycoon mistakenly being given another horses medicine

Its very simple...it was given medicine by mistake, human error, how is that so difficult to understand...shit happens the person who made the mistake must be feeling awful too...it was given it by mistake..and mistakes happen.

3 hours ago, Hesi said:

So meloxicam was on the premises, because it was prescribed by the vet for another horse, but accidentally administered to Tokyo Tycoon

Yes I think you will find many stables use this product regularly within the rules to treat horses post fast work...its not anything sinister...just for your info.

In this case a human made an error and gave it to him too close to the race...as Turny said have humans have mishaps.

He wouldn't have been getting any treatment as it was within 24 hrs of a race...human error that it was given by mistake to the wrong horse.

Seems maybe more to it to follow...

MEDIA STATEMENT - 28 MARCH 2023 

We are extremely disappointed to be advised by the Racing Integrity Board (RIB) that Tokyo Tycoon has returned a positive post-race result for a non-steroidal, anti inflammatory medication following the Group 1 Sistema Stakes.

This news has come as an enormous shock as we have trained 155 winners this year in New Zealand alone, 30 at Group level, and every other horse has delivered a 100% clear post-race result.

Te Akau always conducts itself with the utmost integrity and professionalism. Our whole team is deeply committed to these principles. We take pride in our robust systems, which have been noted by the RIB. Abiding by all rules of racing is non-negotiable for us. 

The post-race result indicates the presence of meloxicam which is commonly used within the industry and is administered as an anti-inflammatory medication post gallop. This treatment was not prescribed to Tokyo Tycoon, making this result a mystery.

We are working very closely and co-operatively with the RIB to ascertain exactly what has happened, and to establish how this has occurred. 

There are, in our view, only two possibilities for this to have occurred: either a human error, or deliberate administration by an unknown party. We have CCTV throughout our stable, and this footage is currently being analysed to identify what has occurred. We have shared this data with the RIB.

We feel very disappointed for Tokyo Tycoon's owners who are wonderful friends and supporters of our stable - and for the horse himself, as Tokyo Tycoon proved to be the stand-out 2YO throughout this season.

As this is an ongoing investigation there will be no further comment.

7 minutes ago, barryb said:

The problem with your comment is you fail to see that for at least the last 10 yrs the industry has not been able to stand on its own 2 feet, it has been propped up by Govt.

The Wine industry, Fishing industry, Sheep & Beef, Dairy are not, why should racing be?. What other NZ industry is effectively given handouts to stay afloat & is artificially the size it is because of it?.

As Mardi says, if the general public knew they would overwhelmingly vote for it to stop immediately.

Sorry Barry,yes it may have been a shambles and run badly to get to where it is now, but lets hope and pray this is the light at the end of a very dark Tunnel...its our only small beacon of hope.

2 hours ago, mardigras said:

Of course there is another choice - and it is probably the most apt one. Close down racing in NZ. Continue running a betting operator. Send the proceeds to the government as part of its revenue stream.

You put that out to the NZ public in a referendum with all the detail of how the industry is subsidised effectively by the taxpayer, I think the vote would be massively in its favour.

What a stupid comment shows no respect for the many thousands of hardworking people involved in the industry....who would be without a job if your stupid suggestion was given any traction, I personally think with the upfront payment, which seems not to be mentioned anywhere yet, that would have to pay for the exclusive rights and with the ongoing money to be tipped in it cant be anything but good for the industry as a whole. ..JMO.

4 hours ago, mardigras said:

It appears you feel the need to comment on the person rather than the topic.

On that basis, this is my last response to you.

I haven't said it isn't better. But it is still subjective.

No just referring to your robot comment...its not subjective at all...rule is if this or this happens gone...end of story...nothing subjective at all.Anyway thats my view and I am sticking t it.

3 hours ago, mardigras said:

Who decides what constitutes interference? A robot?

You seem like one...interference is very clearcut...come in contact with another runner or impede it in any way ...seems no favouritism there...its a damn site better than now.

On 3/14/2023 at 1:24 PM, mardigras said:

Not always. Not always back to last. The rule is still subjective and won't get around your issue of favourtism.

How do you believe that...there is no room for interpretation...cause interference to another runner you are out...how is that open to favouritism...???

Just now, mardigras said:

The rule even in the US is subjective and I expect varies from state to state.

I think it still results in disqualification...one thing for sure its a damn site better than our kangaroo court system.Where its not what you know but who....and thats wrong even if its just a perception.

4 minutes ago, mardigras said:

What other countries are you referring to?

Some South American countries as well as the USA...not sure about what Canada does.

6 hours ago, mardigras said:

I'm not sure always dq is the right approach, but the option to dq should be there.

A very easy way to prevent this if dq is an option is to massively ramp up the penalty - especially the suspension part, and dq under certain situations.

There is already the ability to change the placings. If a change of placings isn't warranted (as well as if it is), then a 30 - 40 day suspension, increasing for repeat or more severe offences would end it. They simply cannot afford to be out of action for that long, and the connections are not going to pay for them during that length of period.

Still open to conjecture and if one of the panel members "favoured" jockey or owner is involved then still open for incompetence...no I think the US and other countries rule is what's needed...no ifs but maybes you cause interference that results in horses been restricted from having a clear run then out you go...back to last.

48 minutes ago, Our Maizcay said:

if I owned Prowess i'd want him to do what he did

straighten the horse and lose or keep going, win and take your chances in the room - give me the latter everyday

And that is where its wrong...the rule is wrong the decision should be taken out of the hands of either biased or inexperienced people in a closed room..JMO.That would be fair for all concerned this type of BS decision happens to often in NZ and sometimes in Oz as well..its all subjective opinions...have a clear rule interfere and out you go.

1 hour ago, mardigras said:

ok, playing devil's advocate. Maybe they didn't want a protest lodged because if successful, that would give TA another G1. Many seem to be against TA dominating.

(I still believe a protest had 2 shows. A shit show and no show.)

So you think it was OK what McNab did????

The result is a joke...and McNab should count his blessings he got off so lightly...he made zero effort to do anything to correct her...we should have the same system as in some other countries, if you cause interference you are disqualified...that takes all these incorrect decisions out of the hands of people who may have a vested interest in the result...cause interference to another runner and out you go ..end of story.

Awful field...not worthy of 100K let alone 500K.....looks set for another downgrade soon. Oh for the great days of old...Castletown springs to mind.

41 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Welcome, thanks for posting, of course you would be.  Can only relate to the Levin Classic, formerly Bayer Classic.  The thread is about the outstanding overall quality of the 3 year olds in NZ this year, like a classic Bordeaux vintage.

Also the poor scheduling of the race, when it is pretty much all over for the 3 year old's in NZ for the season.

Anyway good luck, no Legarto, Sharp N Smart, Wild Night and Prowess, so hope you do well

Some late maturing types deserve a chance at a decent race too...last year it was won by a superstar now so why is it at the wrong time...not all 3yos go for the derby some can not stay...this may just be one of those years where for one reason or another some have fallen by the wayside.

Sketchy when they dont even put their names to it so how are we supposed know anything about who they are.

31 minutes ago, Hesi said:

And following on from that, an industry that does not look after it's customers, who are the punters, is doomed to ultimately fail

I think owners are just as important..if not more...no owners then no horses for the punters to feed on...it cuts both ways.

9 hours ago, Hesi said:

Not knocking him, just thinking out aloud, that the more traditional route to a Derby is running your horse in some of the Guineas lead up races

Why must he follow that path...he is a very good trainer I think I would trust his judgement....not that I am saying he can win but I think Roger has some clue what he is doing.

He really needs to lift his game thats for sure.

Over rated in my opinion...decent horse but no superstar.

Do you know that for a fact???

1 hour ago, Josias said:

Totally DISAGREE.All their purchases have had an underbidder only one bid lower!!!

That is a fact but if TA were not as strong as they are on the ones they like then the price logically will be much lower...but hey thats logical. They make the prices as high as they are on some horses and if there is only one bidder on them with TA not around then of course competition won't be so hot...