Mike Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) Hi All It seems to me that the Harness Forum is populated by really nice people who want to discuss Racing, and Tips, and that's great (just don't listen to my tips) It is super that every 2nd post is not a repetitive post banging on and on about rubbish that's not really about Harness I also subscribe to an Australian site called Peter Profit, mainly because his posts appeal to my warped sense of humour The author does get some great oil though I did manage to sell him 10% of my foal by Vincent out of Beckinsale as well (I have 20% left, please contact me!) One of his stories really struck a cord with me so I asked him if i could reproduce it Here it is, it's quite long but with the Cups Carnivals coming up it's topical as no doubt the Vegans will be out in force in their hemp sandals I have removed some sentences comparing PETA to Adolf Hitler The story uses Oz figures as I haven't as yet found the NZ branch of PETA, if there is one Mike PETA's Campaign Against the Whip is a Lie - PETA is Lie - What This is Really All About is Raising Money to Fund the Final Solution of Turning the Whole World Vegan - Sound Mad? - That's Because it Is Hunting and horse races are the last vestiges of a dead feudal world PETA - People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals - paints itself as Jesus Christ for quadrupeds, a selfless organisation that toils for no gain to end speciesism, and place animal rights on the pedestal above human rights that it's deluded vegan membership hold that they deserve. Here are some of these rather odd folks other somewhat strange beliefs. Meat is murder Meat eaters are murderers Butchers are flesh peddlers Greyhound racing is cruel and barbaric Flicking a horse down the side with a whip is torture Horse racing is the sport of the Devil, and punters are Satan Testing vaccines on rats to see if they can save human lives is evil Shearers are thieves who beat and mutilate sheep to steal their wool Fishermen and women deliberately stab fish with their hooks and suffocate them Cages domestic birds such as budgies and cockatiels suffer mental health problems. I don't think the birds are the only ones, do you? Two things that aren't so bad though are telling lies to advance your cause, and making lots of money. PETA International's gross annual income over the past 5 years is $264 million. In the past year alone it dragged in $67 million. This is big business Bubba. Sadly Australian so-called animal cruelty isn't a priority for PETA, despite all it's froth and bubble and big talk about donning quasi police uniforms and prosecuting Tasmanian racing officials for alleged criminal assaults perpetrated by jockeys carrying whips, which is a proposition so devoid of any sound legal basis and justification that is laughable. The Aussie anti-racing, anti-omnivore, and anti pretty much everything PETA warriors received just $185 361 from head office last year. That might be of some interest to the Australian Charities Commission, for the local PETA branch swore a declaration in it's legally required annual return that it had only received all up other income of $154,796.00, which seems a tad unders if head office are telling the truth, a proposition that on any read of form only a mug would take even a price of $81 about. PETA claims to anyone who will listen that it spends only 16% of its income on paying professional fundraisers to cold call gullible animal lovers and talk them into making donations to the cause. It also claims that it only spends a million dollars annually on legal fees, despite boasting that it launches dozens of clearly highly expensive lawsuits against any firm that it chooses to target and brand killers. Another claim made by PETA is that everyone who works for the organisation does so for minimal pay, which is an earnest and noble ideal, but makes you wonder about the organisation's adherence to minimum legal labour standards. Don't worry too much though, because like a lot of things PETA say it's just not true. If you believe these things you believe in fairies, or the inalienable right of rats to live along and and undisturbed existence in your walls, roof and floorboards. What PETA really does is pay $13 million a year to its staff, spend $20 million a year on undisclosed or described 'professional fees' which are actually payments under the Aussie equivalent of ABN's to contractors, and funnel a further $16 million into a secretive foundation purportedly operating to protect animals. The real purpose of the foundation is to employ 17 lawyers to beat the crap out of PETA's perceived enemies in the courts and try to bully them into submission, an act that involves paying not the poor rats, rodents and racehorses compensation for the pain and suffering that jockeys and the companies like those who are trying to find a cure for COVID supposedly inflict upon them, but instead pay a large settlement to these animals great protectors. PETA. Like a lot of charities that started off crewed by well meaning people and morphed into big businesses - and indeed like modern Australian unions who push for an expansion of uranium mining so that we can stock up on nuclear weapons that we don't need - these days PETA is all about PETA and keeping it going, and it's management in well paid jobs. In other words, it is a self-perpetuating con job. Let's have a look at the Aussie arm of the professional rabble rousing outfit shall we, the one that is making all these grandiose claims about criminally prosecuting Tasmanian racing folk. PETA OZ branch rakes in donations of about $1.7 million dollars a year. It has a grand total of 5 employees, and 30 unpaid volunteers, or so it says. On average each of the staff earn over $90 000 a year, although there is no doubt that the admin person gets a lot less than that and that the university educated racing haters earn a lot more. The very small outfit spends an extraordinary $200 000 a year to pay a media monitoring company to give the five staff daily updates and copies of clippings of every time their soap box rants against racing and killing poor rats makes the news. Just like big Mama in the US, it also pays a big whack to consultants for undisclosed services, in this case about $323 000 or 20% of its donated income. $86 000 is given away in donations, to God only knows who because PETA doesn't tell, but most likely the secretive PETA foundation. Over half a million dollars - a third of its income - is spent on printing and postage, which in the modern internet age is simply extraordinary, and smacks of a con. I wonder who the mailout company is and who owns them? I reckon I could guess. A thousand bucks a week is supposedly spent on bank charges, which doesn't make any sense at all given that PETA by its own reckonon only has about $210 000 in the jug, and owes $140 000 of it to creditors. How the hell could it's bank charges be $49 391 a year? Unless these vegans are being robbed blind by their CBA bankers it is impossible. So is the $54 531 that PETA OZ claims that it spends on computer expenses for its 5 employees, down from $60 000 the year before. There is no way on earth that can be true, no way in the world. I don't reckon much about PETA is true. It's all in my considered opinion just smoke, mirrors, secrets and lies. Just like the lie that PETA International told the American regulators under oath about the PETA OZ branch not being a controlled entity. If that was really the case, why would three US execs of the outfit sign the Australian charity register returns swearing that they were the responsible people for the entity? Allow me to let you in on a little secret that PETA don't want revealed. What PETA really are is a big multinational business whose business is sucking cash donations from naive animal lovers, just like leeches and mozzies suck blood. PETA's favourite tactic and trick is to talk up a big campaign that will get them in the news (remember the $200k spent on the media monitors) at strategically targeted times when the attention of the suckers they plan to bite is on the animals that they intend to use for their cause. For example, the Aussie public at Melbourne Cup time. The purpose of their deceit is three fold. One is to grab free air time. Two is to snaffle cash from the innocents who believe them, Three is the grubbiest of all. It is to siphon the save the poor animal donation spend away from the animal groups in Australia like the RSPCA who actually walk not just talk, for the purpose of spending not on helping or saving animals, but on indoctrinating the public to their real and true cause. The one that half million dollars a year in printing and postage is really spent on. This is not an animal welfare group. It is a cult, and like every cult it's true aim is to impose it's mad world view on us all. This isn't about racing, and it is not about the whip. What PETA's campaign is about is raising funds for it's real campaign. To turn the whole world Vegan. PETA want to flog jockeys with whips to show them how the horses feel. Many of their supporters say that people who they perceive as mistreating animals - in effect all of us in racing and anyone that eats meat - are evil, and should bear the consequences of our evil fruits. It all sounds insane doesn't it? That's because it is. Speciesism is bad. Veganism is good. All these people want is money, air time and attention.. PETA target young people too. They are more innocent, idealistic and naive than adults. And thus easier to indoctrinate and exploit. They are also far more likely to turn out at mass rallies and protests, and give PETA's crazy world views seeming legitimacy. Ignore PETA and avoid them like them like they plague. They hate you. Don't pander to them. You can read the annual returns and financial reports of PETA Pty Ltd (Australia)- yes they are a corporation - below. The US filings can be read at https://www.peta.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PETA-990-FY20.pdf https://acncpubfilesprodstorage.blob.core.windows.net/public/744d4493-3aaf-e811-a963-000d3ad244fd-ccb6e622-2164-4492-ac5c-53f0b06a6c5b-Financial%20Report-6e36c800-ab91-eb11-b1ac-000d3acbde6c-PETA_Australia_FY20_Financials_FINAL.pdf Edited October 17, 2021 by Mike 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest john Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 That’s exactly my understanding as well. I met a guy about 10 years ago who was a professional fundraiser for Red Cross I think it was. He was living the dream extracting money by playing on people’s soft spot for animals. He was on % of his money he got in. hj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I will have to try and dig it out, but there is a funny video clip on youtube ayear or two back, about the anti-racing brigade, protesting on Melbourne Cup day. A man goes around a lot of the protestors and asks them a few questions each. Eg. "So what do you like in the first?" "Do you think (horse's name) will get the 2 miles?" "Where were you guys when it was p!ss!ing down from a great height, back in June at Caulfield?" Great stuff. What I call balanced journalism lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 11:22 AM, Mike said: Hi All It seems to me that the Harness Forum is populated by really nice people who want to discuss Racing, and Tips, and that's great (just don't listen to my tips) It is super that every 2nd post is not a repetitive post banging on and on about rubbish that's not really about Harness This site is great. People with an interest in racing can share a viewpoint, an opinion, a tip or two, and get some enjoyment from it all. It certainly is a breath of fresh air and a real credit to the site's owners and contributors. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) On 10/18/2021 at 11:22 AM, Mike said: What PETA's campaign is about is raising funds for it's real campaign. To turn the whole world Vegan. Vegan food can be delicious. It is just a reasoned choice they make to eat the way they do. Fair play to them and I don't stigmatize vegans with the same villainous characterizations as some do to belittle them as it is not necessary and it is also incorrect. As for PETA and SAFE, I don't mind them as entities because I believe if people have no opposition they will do what they want without fear of any consequences which is a dangerous thing. I have voiced my opposition to jumps racing on this site and the others as I don't think it has a place in the modern age. Simply put, its cruel in my book as the odds are too high in each race for injury or death. Greyhound racing has a lot to answer for as well and they need to sort their act out, too. Everything needs an opposite to keep it in balance. Same principle applies for the RIU / RIB, if they were not around the likes of Alford would run amok in harness. Shit, if there was a world where the majority of trainers were giving their horses fridge gas (as previously reported) then I think harness racing should be shut down immediately. However, I don't get the groups when they go nuts over the death of a horse in a race like the Melbourne Cup. Unfortunate things happen in sport and life. I like to think horse people actually like animals and care for them so their 'outrage' over an accidental death is silly. I have come to the realisation that SAFE etc don't actually have that much power if harness racing authorities are proactive which they are at the moment. I think the standard of driving has improved, the crash rate has gone down a lot, the horse ambulance is an overt show of care and whip use has been toned down markedly. All good things which care for everyone and make it a sustainable industry. At the end of the day, any true animal / horse lover should actually support these groups, and not be dismissive of them, as ultimately they share the some of the same principles. Edited October 19, 2021 by Happy Sunrise 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Rusty said: This site is great. Be better if a harness team was still winning the galloping comp 😂 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Be better if a harness team was still winning the galloping comp 😂 haha true.. but at least there is still one chasing hard... you just wait when that passing lane opens up 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) They have gone over past decade from HERO to ZERO for me. 2012 They flour bombed Kim Kardashian, resulting in her sister Khloe pulling support saying she was once a big supporter, but she is also a supporter of anti bullying & that crossed line. Seen images of them 1/2 naked in a busy Oz street to protest. 2019 They did NOT gain permission to do a protest at St Lukes Supermarket Auckland. They stood infront of meat section. An angry shopper told them he was “disgusted that they were there”. They filmed supermarket shoppers & a shopper was seen in an argument saying she didn’t give her permission. Saying “Im doing my f..kin shopping”. They were told to “F off”. They were escorted out of supermarket by security. Then once kicked out of supermarket by security they moved to the food court where they stood around the food court holding up their STOP eating animals signs. Here’s their video of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpMZuR76apw 4. Think they maybe tried to stop trains heading to Melbourne Cup or something ... 5. Recently they went off about a CGI computer generated (not real) cockfighting . e.g. video games. Have they seen Fortnight amongst others with all the shooting. 6. Didn’t they dress up as meat with Blood on or something somewhere ... MOST headlines can recall for some reason are of OTT behaviour & border-line CRAY CRAY Those videos All Mic-ed up with video on drivers helmet are GREAT examples of how whip doesn’t seem as bad as the word itself & as it can sometimes look side on. Don’t really like lots of whip use. But it appears more like a soft tap, to keep the horse mind on job & encourage. (Could of just been those episodes). Edited October 19, 2021 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/19/2021 at 7:20 PM, Happy Sunrise said: Vegan food can be delicious. It is just a reasoned choice they make to eat the way they do. Fair play to them and I don't stigmatize vegans with the same villainous characterizations as some do to belittle them as it is not necessary and it is also incorrect. As for PETA and SAFE, I don't mind them as entities because I believe if people have no opposition they will do what they want without fear of any consequences which is a dangerous thing. I have voiced my opposition to jumps racing on this site and the others as I don't think it has a place in the modern age. Simply put, its cruel in my book as the odds are too high in each race for injury or death. Greyhound racing has a lot to answer for as well and they need to sort their act out, too. Everything needs an opposite to keep it in balance. Same principle applies for the RIU / RIB, if they were not around the likes of Alford would run amok in harness. Shit, if there was a world where the majority of trainers were giving their horses fridge gas (as previously reported) then I think harness racing should be shut down immediately. However, I don't get the groups when they go nuts over the death of a horse in a race like the Melbourne Cup. Unfortunate things happen in sport and life. I like to think horse people actually like animals and care for them so their 'outrage' over an accidental death is silly. I have come to the realisation that SAFE etc don't actually have that much power if harness racing authorities are proactive which they are at the moment. I think the standard of driving has improved, the crash rate has gone down a lot, the horse ambulance is an overt show of care and whip use has been toned down markedly. All good things which care for everyone and make it a sustainable industry. At the end of the day, any true animal / horse lover should actually support these groups, and not be dismissive of them, as ultimately they share the some of the same principles. Can’t agree sorry Happy I would support any pro animal charity, but not PETA Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 20 hours ago, Mike said: Can’t agree sorry Happy I would support any pro animal charity, but not PETA Mike Support was probably the wrong word. I would substitute it with 'tolerate'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 16 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Support was probably the wrong word. I would substitute it with 'tolerate'. Very good Happy I would substitute it for something more permanent Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Have already given you peeps the tip, they have gone a bit cray-cray. Thanks for sharing the Peter Profit article Mike. I check that website every other day for any news. But as not a subscriber can only see the 1st wee bit of each story. The story shared is something Id believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Wonder what they will be up to today ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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