Rusty

Riot and Rose - Starting in race 7 at Flemington today.

Big field and drawn 20 so will require some luck, but I still like the odds on offer here at $4.80 and $2's. 

Hardest to beat will probably be Bermadez, an easy last start winner by 4L.

8 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

Here is the draw.

What the f@*$€n hell is the draw doing, coming out of a Commodore 64 computer?!

Oh wait, is that Addington? Yip. Ok cool. Understood. 

1- 1,2,3

2- 2,4,6

3- 3,7,8

4- 1,7,9

5- 4,7,11

6- 1,4,7

7- 1,2,3 *Double Up

8- 1,5,6

9- 9,13,14

10- 6,10,14

Jockey: Craig Williams 

Have a good day everyone. 

59 minutes ago, Addington said:

If it wins or goes close at Kaikoura there might be a bit of social media banter about CD. The drive will be what many will be watching ,including RIB.

I think there will be even more social media banter if runs down the track, tails off hopeless. 

Almost a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. 

I really don't know what sort of performance to expect from it on Monday.

"Market best guide?"

3 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said:

Country Cups with a 100K final at Addington will disadvantage the grass trackers.

That was my immediate thought too. 

Should be held at Riccarton. 

4 hours ago, Addington said:

Fact is around the Globe TB's are more popular with owners breeders and punters.

Just don't tell that to the Swedes lol

Just taking it back to the original post, and thread, if I may.

Crystal Daytom. ($2 Final Field).

Just another thought on this, and punting in general.

What is the single most important reason as to why one places a bet? 

Is it because one wishes to donate to the TAB?

Is it because one has too much money in their TAB account, wallet, or purse, and they wish for it to be lighter? 

Is it because they wish to do their part and prop up the industry? Afterall, some (not all) argue that the punter and their money, is the most important person in the industry. 

Or is it that one enjoys a dollar each way or a gold coin on a nag, and they see it as their entertainment? 

Or is it because one thinks that their "investment" on a certain horse is a good bet, having weighed up all important aspects and considered them, and their perceived likely outcome of the result? To the extent that they will drop a couple of grand on a 13 start maiden, which has never shown any form or promise? 

It just doesn't add up, to me. Or have I missed something? I suspect I have. I probably don't know why it deserved to be a $2 shot on Monday. When the only factor that has changed is the horse's trainer. I will have to take note of the trainer in future. Man, he must be good. I can only see the change in trainer being the reason as to why the flood of money, big money, arrived for this horse. 

Crystal Daytom I suspect will soon become (if not already), the most watched maiden in the country, with all eyes on it, next start. Then the eyes will turn to the tote.

"Market best guide." 

1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said:

Stewards questioned driver R Close as to whether he had given consideration to shifting outwards racing past the 1100 metres to race in the parked position. Mr Close advised that on the mare's recent form it would have proved detrimental to his chances had he raced parked this far from home and so instead maintained his position close to the pylons hoping the opportunity to obtain clear running would become available at a later stage however this did not eventuate

Thanks for posting this Happy. Saves me a job hunting the interweb for it.

Unfortunately the Stipes haven't followed up their line of questioning properly. Or if they did, it hasn't been published in the report. 

When did a horse 4 back the pegs on the turn at Ashburton, ever end up winning a race? 

By not moving at the 1100m mark, did that decrease the chances of winning, moreso than if a move forward was made? 

The $2 shot would not have been left parked, can almost guarantee it. Especially with the stablemate leading. 

If a less experienced driver, a junior, or dare I say it, an amateur, drove in this manner, would the Stipes be as lenient? 

7 minutes ago, Lightning Blue said:

I can't recall a $2 shot ever being a 13 start maiden beaten 21 l, 22 l, 11 l and 28 lengths at it's last 4 starts. extroadinary.  

That is an excellent point. 

One that is so ridiculous, it's quite funny. 

And did you see what its odds were, for those last 4 starts? 

$100+ , $44, $48 and $70 (thereabouts). 

Plus keep in mind, those last 4 starts, weren't exactly months ago. It raced only a few weeks ago.

New trainer today and it's $2. 

Go figure. 

17 minutes ago, Steve P said:

Crystal Daytom - $2.10????

Why?

Hmmmm... yes. Why indeed.

And it closed off at $2.00 on the final field market. 

I can't recall the last time I saw a $2 shot allowed to be trapped 4 back the pegs, whilst going down the back straight in single file. And the horse (stablemate) to start the train forward on the running line, comes out from behind it (5 back the pegs), all the while the other stablemate is leading by 1.5/2 lengths up front, and this all happened about 1100m out from home. 

If this happened in Oz, there would be a few questions asked. Why it was paying $2 would be the first, of many. 

Looks like he has a real future ahead of him, pretty impressive win tonight.

Were my eyes playing tricks on me, or does he need a longer hopple? His gait just seemed a bit short. Perhaps it was a shorter hopple with the stand start tonight? His trainer has forgotten more than I know! 

Anyway, all the best to connections, hope he stays in NZ! And great to see Ginger Man feature on the breeding page. He was a goodie. 

On 10/18/2021 at 11:22 AM, Mike said:

Hi All

It seems to me that the Harness Forum is populated by really nice people who want to discuss Racing, and Tips, and that's great (just don't listen to my tips)

It is super that every 2nd post is not a repetitive post banging on and on about rubbish that's not really about Harness

This site is great.

People with an interest in racing can share a viewpoint, an opinion, a tip or two, and get some enjoyment from it all. 

It certainly is a breath of fresh air and a real credit to the site's owners and contributors.

I will have to try and dig it out, but there is a funny video clip on youtube ayear or two back, about the anti-racing brigade, protesting on Melbourne Cup day.

A man goes around a lot of the protestors and asks them a few questions each. 

Eg. "So what do you like in the first?"

"Do you think (horse's name) will get the 2 miles?" 

"Where were you guys when it was p!ss!ing down from a great height, back in June at Caulfield?" 

Great stuff. 

What I call balanced journalism lol

From a recent newspaper article:

Otakou marae kaumatua Edward Ellison said while he agreed with the Māori Party's initiative in principle, it would be "a rash move to rush forward in a change of that substance and nature".

At the core of his reservations is the history of the name Aotearoa, which many people did not realise originally referred solely to the North Island.

5 hours ago, Addington said:

Gone amiss again and now retired

Best thing for the horse.

Well done to connections for making the right call. 

5 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said:

It is a shame the Prime Minister doesn't forget the South Island totally as then we could do what we want. Maybe if we started calling ourselves to Te Wai Pounamu we would get more attention.

It's official! 

New Zealand has changed its name.

But not to what a lot of people were expecting it to be changed to.

(No, the Government haven't quite Maorized 100% of everything). 

New Zealand is now...

Jacindastan. 

1 hour ago, craigos1 said:

It was a good win Rusty

Night Passage in same race was disappointing as my pocket is telling me!

That was the one I was half keeping an eye on too, as I thought it was the main danger to Riot and Rose. Was under pressure a long way out. Almost like something wasn't quite right with that horse, as was a below par run. 

And the last thing, that I will say before hitting the sack...

The local NZ media are largely in love with this current government, especially the PM. Sure there are the Mike Hoskings and Lynches etc in the media, but the majority of the media love her, and very rarely ask any tough questions. 

Why? 

My guess is because a lot of the journalist's employers, are getting massive coin at the moment via all the Covid-19 adverts! 

Oh and when they do ask the tough questions to the PM, what happens??

She refuses to be interviewed by them (eg. No longer does the PM go on the Mike Hosking breakfast show (Newstalk ZB)). 

Peace out. 

"Tova, then Jessica." 

It's not common public knowledge, but here is the reason much of the media is all over the Maori language in recent times, and will be for some time yet (at least). 

The government have provided a fund where media outlets can dip into. From memory, I think the total fund is about $55m, over a three year term.

But, like everything that is "free", there is a catch. What's the catch here? 

The media outlets (eg. Mediaworks, Fairfax etc) that receive some coin from the fund, have to demonstrate/acknowledge a Maori connection/association and appreciation for the Maori language. 

Of course the media will very, very rarely:

(a) admit openly and publicly about receiving this free money, and

(b) be even less likely to openly and publicly advertise the small print (the terms and conditions), about the Maori language being incorporated into their coverage. 

So that is why most of the public are clueless about this.

It's a very dangerous slope, the government pulling strings with a large portion (majority) of the media. Just ask anyone that has lived in Fiji or China. 

On 10/16/2021 at 7:56 AM, curious said:

130% market on race morning is totally ridiculous.

I agree.

134% is common for the harness racing markets. 

Riot And Rose (Pins).

May be worth following this 4 year old grey gelding, from the P Moody barn.

It was a fairly good win today (with a sizeable weight) at Horsham. Had to do a wee bit of work, and then received a check when starting to wind up in the straight. Luke Nolen travelled just for that one ride today, so that says something in itself. 

That's 4 wins from 4 starts now. He has a big race or three in him yet, so may be worth a follow. 

Great minds think alike? 

Sundon was a hell of a good looking horse, and I'm starting to think it may not be him, as the pic just doesn't look quite right. 

I could only guess... Sundon?