Buller Rep Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 12 hours ago, barryb said: Which deaths did Opie cause?, I seem to recall all riders fine & Allpress riding the next day. Thank God it was on a very heavy track and not the all-weather as the outcome would or could have been very different. They say hitting the deck on the all-weather is like hitting a road. Oh and isn’t that how they are constructed? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Buller Rep said: Thank God it was on a very heavy track and not the all-weather as the outcome would or could have been very different. They say hitting the deck on the all-weather is like hitting a road. Oh and isn’t that how they are constructed? Not sure how accurate that is, that top layer is 3 inches thick, and made of a mix of sand, polypropylene fibre and rubber, all coated in wax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 That is not an accurate representation of what we have here. Above the base of porous macadam, there would be six inches of loose polytrack material. No compacted layer. Two riders i know well who have worked on polytracks in England/ Ireland have expressed the opinion that there is not enough top on it. And I have horses which definitely feel the jar when working fast. Some are ok but it pays to be aware. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 I have also been told the track at Awapuni is hard and trainers not keen to let them go at full pace as they feel it and jar up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Freda said: That is not an accurate representation of what we have here. Above the base of porous macadam, there would be six inches of loose polytrack material. No compacted layer. Two riders i know well who have worked on polytracks in England/ Ireland have expressed the opinion that there is not enough top on it. And I have horses which definitely feel the jar when working fast. Some are ok but it pays to be aware. Martin Collins installed the track, why would they diverge from the standard specification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, RJB said: I have also been told the track at Awapuni is hard and trainers not keen to let them go at full pace as they feel it and jar up. Chris Wood seems to think there is nothing wrong with the Cambridge one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hesi said: Chris Wood seems to think there is nothing wrong with the Cambridge one Dont know anything about Cambridge I only mentioned Awapuni as that is the only one I have info on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 They are all meant to be laid to the same Martin Collins specification 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Seems not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 If it is agreed between Martin Collins and NZTR, to alter for whatever reason, then so be it. If not, then it is a breach of contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Hesi said: Martin Collins installed the track, why would they diverge from the standard specification I have no idea. Maybe newer technology has altered the older specifications? It was certainly constructed by Martin Collins Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 You only need to look at Awapuni to know it is different the sand is a different color.... much darker.Not sure if that makes a difference but trainers are having to put oil on the horses so the materials dont stick to them when they work on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 All 3 track surfaces should be the same, if not, then NZTR should be asking questions. I presume the sand/polymer/rubber/wax mix has been imported from Aus. This is patented technology, they can't just go changing any of the above. The process by which they coat with wax will also be part of the patent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Hesi said: All 3 track surfaces should be the same, if not, then NZTR should be asking questions. I presume the sand/polymer/rubber/wax mix has been imported from Aus. This is patented technology, they can't just go changing any of the above. The process by which they coat with wax will also be part of the patent I am only telling you what is a fact from what I have been told...so make of it what you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 hours ago, barryb said: The sand isn't imported. The volumes needed made the cost prohibitive. The type of sand required is only able to be sourced from a few NZ sites. The sand sourced for the Manawatu would almost certainly be sourced from a different supplier to the Waikato, the darker colour suggests its local material. Ellerslie has sub base rock material going in there from South Auckland & also Northland. That must mean then the Polytrack material is blended here and coated with the wax here. And a different sand source used for the Riccarton AWT? Probably explains any differences being noted. There is sand and there is sand A bit like when they tried to make scotch whisky in the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Good lord, I hope the tracks haven't been stuffed up .... just hope we have got these right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I have to say I am surprised they have used different sources of sand, and it appears that differences in the track properties it is giving are being noticed Sand has many physical and chemical properties, and these will vary slightly from different sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 hours ago, barryb said: Classic, fact from what I have been told. 😆 Often known as gossip or hearsay, now taken as fact. NO this is from people using it daily...just to put your mind at ease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Bump, well done whoever did this lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 So, we may have a situation, that each of the 3 AWTs, races differently, because a different source of sand was used in each one. Time will tell how much of an issue this becomes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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