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The current list of Exported Horses on HRNZ Website includes SIX to China on 31 July.

3 were 2yo colts and 1 yearling colt,All Unraced.

Note to Karrots/includes a Sweet Lou.

Also 5yo mare 'Rock My Mind',who raced 24 times,recording 1 win/1 placing & $11,600.Recent racing from Matt Purvis Stable.

Also 12yo US Bred (stallion!) Net Ten EOM.

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Didnt realize harness racing was in China or harness exports there. Wonder how the group of exports happened or what the attraction is re China?

Took a look & it seems a mix from North & South. 1 of K Marshalls 2yos & think an owner of Teaz & then as you say some from South. 

To posters what ideas might you have to try to reduce the number of exports? Therefore retaining more to race in NZ or to retain for longer in NZ? As Josia has pointed out 1/2 are unraced babies. 

Randomly been seeing the raise & fall of things, either via headlines or other. Know there is a (Raise & Fall of Miss NZ in a doco in the works). At its peak similar to Harness it was watched by many. Now as like Harness its popularity & viewers has declined. 

Anyone with a good idea worth submitting to HRNZ? To try to help with this? Noticed many ex Kiwis in recent big Albion P carnival. Breeding incentives will help drive numbers back up. But then wont exports just go up? So be like back to square 1. 

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21 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Anyone with a good idea worth submitting to HRNZ? To try to help with this? 

Or any good idea at all re Harness that could help the industry overcome decline?

As I understand we have a poster who has a respectful relationship to one of those at top at HRNZ. Who will take a look at ideas submitted from this poster. (Great they are open to ideas)! 

Some of us tend to get a bit negative sometimes having a moan, so now we can use our collective to submit something that could potentially help in a positive 😀

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18 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

To posters what ideas might you have to try to reduce the number of exports?

Why bother. We are a nursery for breeding and producing horses for sale overseas. Especially in the TB game, and I know as I have a son in law who is a registered agent for finding markets and buyers. Given the choice of running for peanuts here, who wouldn't sell for good coin to overseas, and they don't have to be top horses either. The number of horses running in WA is mind-boggling as an example., . Take the money and run. 

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2 hours ago, Double R said:

We have also had a market to sell horses to Tahiti as well.

hey Do you remember Robert , when Nz was selling planeloads of Pacers to Macau ??(about 50 miles from Hong Kong) in the early 80's. My stable refused to send/ sell horses to there, knowing that when not able to race anymore , they weren't going to be given away, as a riding hack to a young lass or anything like that , like for many Nz or Aus standardbreds.

They changed to Racing thoroughbreds (twice per week) around 1990 in Macau,  so the market for Nz pacers died , 

MACAU now the 'mecca' of Casinos these days turning over near $1billion per week. some rich chinese there lol. said to be the 3rd richest territory in the world behind Qatar and Luxembourg.

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Ideas - just off top of head. 

1. Get into digital marketing.

2. Create an active You Tube Channel. (saw a few chanels just horse owners with close to 1/2 a million subscribers. They were talking about their horses ex gallopers now retired & are ridden. They also did stable tours to fancy stables. The other You Tuber had ex gallops as hacks & also mini horses that they taught tricks to. Both channels popular. 

Need a video once a week up. Once a month put up a J Stevens Mic-ed Up video. Do a stable tour 1 once a month. Build up viewers & subscribers, then utlize the channel when needed to promote something eg NZ Cup week or The Race. Also could do life after racing once a month. Go film someone & a horse eg The Fixer, follow him for a day at his new role. Could also follow a couple of horses & owners BUT small time ones. Their pride & joys journey. Could do another where the horse is treated like a pet. Another 1st time owner (how, why, cost, enjoyment, expectations, journey, horse). Subscribers can comment & provide feedback on what they want to see more of. Wouldnt cost much, can just film using ph these days. Then once viewer/subscription is up, could put on TV Race channel, eg 1 that Teaz did. An instant platform out to authentic viewers at no cost.

3. Do a 1 North & 1 South per year promotional campaign with videos + promotions for a big meeing to get turnover up. Eg NZ Cup & The Race. 

4. For horses that have x amount of starts in NZ, get a sponsor eg Oats & gift the horse a bag. (Some clubs reward horses for racing at clubs eg Camb has horse of year with $ prizes & Oaks. Why not reward loyal horses had lots of starts in NZ. 

5. If a 1st time owner has brought a horse from sales & it dies within 12 months of purchase. If owner plan was to race horse in NZ only not export. HRNZ create a list of these people. When big studs have next sale & there is a passed in lot, the stud could offer it to them for a discounted price before going on eg Gavel House to sell. 

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3 hours ago, Lightning Blue said:

My stable refused to send/ sell horses to there, knowing that when not able to race anymore , they weren't going to be given away, as a riding hack to a young lass or anything like that , like for many Nz or Aus standardbreds.

 

1 hour ago, karrotsishere said:

Re Macau Lightening your stable refusing to send horses to, that was my 1st initial thought re China eeck.

But what happens to most horses here? Just because they are sent to Asia (so must be bad) you have a horse rights issue going on inside you?

If you search horses on HRNZ , a few are hacks, a few are dead, some are exported but most are not racing and have nothing about them. Wonder what happened to them?

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17 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said:

But what happens to most horses here? Just because they are sent to Asia (so must be bad) you have a horse rights issue going on inside you?

If you search horses on HRNZ , a few are hacks, a few are dead, some are exported but most are not racing and have nothing about them. Wonder what happened to them?

True. Have more CCP issue going on lol.  

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1 hour ago, karrotsishere said:

Re Macau Lightening your stable refusing to send horses to, that was my 1st initial thought re China eeck.

You wouldn't be far wrong Karrots. My son in law in his early days trained in Macau under the tutelage of a Kiwi trainer  and also sold horses to Macau, later on in his own right. One has to remember the Asian mindset. They are deeply superstitious, and with gambling written in their DNA, its not a good combination when a horse doesn't measure up and they think they have been sold a dud(which invariably they have)lol, although I think it has been cleaned up a bit in that regard. Generally they dont give a toss what happens to the horse, if it isn't bringing them a return. Selling into Singapore is a different proposition altogether, far more professional from my sources.

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8 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

True. Have more CCP issue going on lol.  

Speaking of CCP. Poaching came to mind. They are the worst re fishing.

With that in mind, re poaching, is their truth in the poaching rumour of a trotter from a Northern trainer a South trainer poached? Looked up horse and it raced last week Alex but now no trainer up. 

Does poaching in racing trainers happen much?

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29 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Speaking of CCP. Poaching came to mind. They are the worst re fishing.

With that in mind, re poaching, is their truth in the poaching rumour of a trotter from a Northern trainer a South trainer poached? Looked up horse and it raced last week Alex but now no trainer up. 

Does poaching in racing trainers happen much?

A small trainer in North & it was 1 of their best horses. Apparently going to Rusty & Happys fav place lol. Trainer is allegdly disappointed/upset. Horse placed last week. 

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41 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Does poaching in racing trainers happen much?

More likely a dispute between an owner and trainer. The owner(s) then shifts their horses to another trainer.

Trainers who have owners with horses in several different stables are just asking for problems to occur. Just ask Anthony Butt about that . had a few good ones moved on from him by high profile owner not that long ago.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said:

But what happens to most horses here? Just because they are sent to Asia (so must be bad) you have a horse rights issue going on inside you?

If you search horses on HRNZ , a few are hacks, a few are dead, some are exported but most are not racing and have nothing about them. Wonder what happened to them?

ALways have horse rights issues going on inside. Don't all horsepeople? Nearly all stables look after racing stock just as well as the staff nearly lol , with daily excercise, good feed, grooming , washing ,stabling so they are comfortable and fine tuning them to be an elite athlete. You become very attached as you look after them as you would your pets....   you're not going to dump them without some 'thought' for their welfare where they end up shirley

Most horses i know of (nz or Aus) , retired to large retirement paddocks with dozens of horses in some of them . the mares in breeding paddocks. Most standardbred males are gelded so run togeather quite easily in out of the way backblocks. yes! stallions are a more awkward proposition , so are harder to home with their aggression.

funny story.... one Geelong bloke ran all his in one huge paddock. young , old, retired , etc .. we nicknamed him 'crazy'. lol. He was about 80 I reckon and we would lease horses off him. He'd be crawling around under their legs and all in the paddock , why they're jumping around all around him hahaha,  as this great herd of 40 odd rushed up to the gate to see us . 'crazy' stuff . thought we were gunna be stampeded every time went there .

 

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20 minutes ago, Lightning Blue said:

Trainers who have owners with horses in several different stables are just asking for problems to occur. Just ask Anthony Butt about that . had a few good ones moved on from him by high profile owner not that long ago.

Yes that could very well be the case. Think yes owner has horses with multiple stables.

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Thought Id share this other horse You Tuber too. Has 184k subscribers. This particular video he is training his horses. 1 a normal size horse, 1 a mini horse. Lightening you might like this. Its sooo cool. Watch the 1st 3 mins of it. Then he does same thing with mini horse. He doesnt use a halter or anything just a whip to indicate what moves/trick horse needs to do next not to hit horse. Makes me think horses can def be trained for stand starts. He doesnt get as many views only 29k views for this video.  But I really like his videos. 

 

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