curious Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) I notice the stewards seem to be quite busy reporting this lately. Anyone know why? It doesn't seem to contravene any of the Rules of Racing or incur any penalties. Or are they trying to influence markets for upcoming races? E.g., from Te Rapa yesterday: AKOYA PEARL (C Burdan) –Raced wide without cover for the majority of the race IRISH BOY (Y Coonee) –Slow to begin.Raced wide without cover. HEAR MY VOICE (S Collett) –Raced wide without cover. KELLY RENEE (C Grylls) –Raced wide without cover for the majority of the race. BUY ME A ROSE (A Calder) –Raced wide without cover for the majority of the race. WORDSWORTH (J Riddell) –Raced three wide without cover throughout. Edited September 18, 2020 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 They want Thomas to back them next time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 34 minutes ago, curious said: I notice the stewards seem to be quite busy reporting this lately. Anyone know why? It doesn't seem to contravene any of the Rules of Racing or incur any penalties. Or are they trying to influence markets for upcoming races? E.g., from Te Rapa yesterday: AKOYA PEARL (C Burdan) –Raced wide without cover for the majority of the race IRISH BOY (Y Coonee) –Slow to begin.Raced wide without cover. HEAR MY VOICE (S Collett) –Raced wide without cover. KELLY RENEE (C Grylls) –Raced wide without cover for the majority of the race. BUY ME A ROSE (A Calder) –Raced wide without cover for the majority of the race. WORDSWORTH (J Riddell) –Raced three wide without cover throughout. Wordsworth won though??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, mardigras said: They want Thomas to back them next time. ....ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, Hesi said: Wordsworth won though??? Yes. Maybe they are implying it was advantaged. Hard to work out. It didn't exactly get a head start. Haven't seen them report something like "rails run with cover throughout" either though. Maybe just trying to manipulate future pricing for the Thomasses as we suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Akoya Pearl is actually part owned by Gazzac, who posts on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Here's Max's theory: in lower-grade races some horses are clearly superior to others and would win if they were 10 wide without cover. However, the higher quality the opposition the more likely it is that margins will be tighter, especially in sprint races. (You often see four or more in a photofinish over 1200m, not very often over 2000m+ Yes, I know there have bee deadheats in 3200m races; they are the exceptions that prove the rule.) Barrier draws also affect the result more in sprints; trainers scratch horses sometimes just because they "drew too wide" and will wait for another race. Stewards Reports noting 'wide without cover' is, to me, simply a that - something to be noted when assessing the horse's past and future performances. The fact that Wordsworth WON after racing wide without cover helps me 'rate' the horse and when looking at his career record helps me get a feel for where and how he has been ridden (either by design or circumstance). A 'reverse' example: the well-backed runner Kaareraway faded after leading from a inside draw last Saturday at Ruakaka. At its prior start it had won most impressively after settling last and looping the field in a midweek R65 at Avondale. Stewards rightly enquired about the form and tactics reversal and jockey Lynsey Satherley said it was "not her intention to lead". What she didn't explain was why she did lead! (Did the horse 'get away' on her?? Couldn't she hold it?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) Here's mardigras theory: the disadvantage of being wide without cover (to a point), is offset due to the freedom and lack of impact to energy from being surrounded by horses or from following a horse. And has the added advantage of already travelling faster under it's own steam than those nearer the rail, when maintaining position when entering the straight. Obviously 10 wide around corners is unlikely to be as beneficial as 3 wide. But I like it when my horse has no horse in front of it and room on at least one side of it. I prefer 3 wide to a horse in the trail (unless the trail is lengths off the lead). This comment is ignoring wind which may have an impact - although can be hard to assess who will be affected by that. Flemington down the straight is the only track I consider the wind. Because it channels down the straight and can be quite different on one side of the straight to the other. Even then, you are guessing as to where your horse is going to go. Edited September 24, 2020 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Caller Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 44 minutes ago, mardigras said: Here's mardigras theory: the disadvantage of being wide without cover (to a point), is offset due to the freedom and lack of impact to energy from being surrounded by horses or from following a horse. And has the added advantage of already travelling faster under it's own steam than those nearer the rail, when maintaining position when entering the straight. Obviously 10 wide around corners is unlikely to be as beneficial as 3 wide. But I like it when my horse has no horse in front of it and room on at least one side of it. I prefer 3 wide to a horse in the trail (unless the trail is lengths off the lead). This comment is ignoring wind which may have an impact - although can be hard to assess who will be affected by that. Flemington down the straight is the only track I consider the wind. Because it channels down the straight and can be quite different on one side of the straight to the other. Even then, you are guessing as to where your horse is going to go. WHO KNEW! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Go easy on him Leroy We're giving him a special dispensation to join TRP, seeing as the other mob have put him on moderation yet again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Caller Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 39 minutes ago, Hesi said: Go easy on him Leroy We're giving him a special dispensation to join TRP, seeing as the other mob have put him on moderation yet again Blinkers on Hesi!😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) Bit like the Bowman case. Upsetting the horse's rhythm and breathing is far more costly. The idea of stipes telling Hughie how to ride a race reminds me of them here trying to tell CWJ where he should have positioned a horse. If you are not sitting on the bloody things how could you know? Mistakes will of course be made in those often split second decisions. Edited September 25, 2020 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) oops Edited September 25, 2020 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 hours ago, curious said: oops What's the oops for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 Just now, mardigras said: What's the oops for? I accidentally requoted my previous post! That still stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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