Maximus Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, ngakonui grass said: Trump survived 4 years of it and wants to come back for more. but Trump is a total narcissist so he thrives on attention. Any kind of attention. Jacinda is merely a driven, rabid socialist wanting to impose her vision of kumbaya on a liberal democracy in a soverign island nation MM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 46 minutes ago, Maximus said: but Trump is a total narcissist so he thrives on attention. Any kind of attention. Jacinda is merely a driven, rabid socialist wanting to impose her vision of kumbaya on a liberal democracy in a soverign island nation MM ain't that so, Comrades. Here's a preview of what Jacinda will be up to at the UN ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, ngakonui grass said: Trump survived 4 years of it and wants to come back for more. Trump is totally weird though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 I'm not going to get into the different ideologies of running a country, but I do think a lot of people add up one and one with her communism and who is pulling her strings and get not 2 but 1002 with her. At the end of the day, she is simply a mother with a partner who likes fishing and a lovely young daughter, who tried to improve the lot of NZ'ers. I can tell you why she got out, one word NEVE. She is getting to the age where she would understand what was going on, and no 5 year old should be ever subjected to that sort of vitriol. Just a note also to all those that are so bitter towards her because of the vaccines and lockdowns, the Nats quite clearly stated they would have done the same. I note also Three Waters came about as a result of a review initiated by the Nats in 2017. Time for a better way methinks. Perhaps the parties should agree that certain topics are allocated 'non political' status. Areas like law and order, child poverty, transport infrastructure, water infrastructure, climate change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, barryb said: Hesi, you were a huge supporter, are you now disillusioned with lack of policy implementation or what?. Forget individuals, there has become an American like obsession with that shit, what about the Labour Party do you now not like?. I haven't really researched it out Barry, because it takes a lot of time to find the data, not opinion pieces. A lot of it has been beyond their control such as inflation, debt and interest rates, which many countries around the world have suffered with. I saw some graphs on child poverty, and it is trending the right way. House price affordability is improving, but once again due to factors as a result of interest rates rising. Kiwi Build was a non event, but I also saw some data that showed 1 in 11 houses in NZ have been built in NZ since Ardern was PM. Not her doing but as a result of market forces. Law and order, a hard one and the Nats will not have the answers with a hard line. I note they have elevated Collins, good luck to them. My view on climate change is simple. I don't know if it is cyclable and not man made, but I am not prepared to take the risk. If they find out for sure in 100 years that it is man made, then it is too late to do anything. Perhaps we don't have to be such leaders, so a bit of softening. Very complex issues there. At the end of the day Barry, because of the history of mainly Covid, we needed to move on, and that was not going to happen with Ardern in charge. As I said before too many bitter zealots around 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 We gotta go back to the future. IMO we need to go back to the future eg reinvent the MOW and build state houses until we can't build no more.It will cost millions and millions but will save billions in medical care down the road. We need a decent rail system,we all know it will lose money but its essential. New govt gotta look at super,retirement home payments etc. tax system needs an overhaul but who is going to be brave..............no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 If you want a hard line Barry, how about they reintroduce the law of sedition back onto the statutes and start charging people who do this. Our Intelligence Service are able to track down scum like this. These people are a bigger problem to NZ than the the young delinquents doing the ram raids [Ding, dong, the witch is gone. Let’s make a citizen’s arrest, burn her on the parliament lawns – sign outside Labour caucus retreat, post on far-right network Counterspin’s Telegram channel, January 2023] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, barryb said: Shit NG, you are espousing Labour policy in everything above, state control, you sure that worked in the past?. Housing a must Barryb. Maybe a mixture of Lab/Nats We need a govt that will be transformational not one that says it will be but isn't. Barryb where are all the visitors for the SEVENS staying,hopefully not on Ulster Steet what a f......g dive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, barryb said: The simple problem with NZ today is the people whom cant least afford it are having multitudes of kids & expecting others to pay for & bring up there kids & then fucking moan when it all goes wrong. That has been around for a long time Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 16 minutes ago, barryb said: Yes it certainly has, now its multi generational & near impossible to fix. All that WINZ can do, is keep chipping away at the new generations to get them into training and jobs. If you think anything other than that is going to change with a new government you are kidding yourself. Maybe new twists on the various initiatives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 17 hours ago, barryb said: ut left alone Globe who even to me his posts about her are on the offensive side. He’s on the conspiracy train Piss off Barry. What conspiracy. Inept political management. They couldn't run a sausage sizzle between them let alone a country. I will continue to hold the view about the poor woman who should have got a first real job, like her co -workers before taking on and f---ing this country. Spin doctor in front of a mic and that's where it ends. Legend, please Tom take another valium and go back to sleep. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 7 hours ago, barryb said: Can you give us examples of them fucking the country Globe? Well, after just spending 5 weeks in Aussie (Melbourne) the general consensus that I could ascertain from podcasts /news/ etc was that while Jacinda is admired for some things, it is generally accepted that Labour have left NZ reeling. Victorians are shell shocked Daniel Andrews was re-elected , go figure, will Kiwis be that dumb. And Barry it doesn't have to be spelled out the social damage done in the country of ours. ,. Most Aussies I met were very upbeat about their own country. And wasn't it you who said after a time in Mooloolaba that Kiwis are a whinging pack of bastards, after experiencing such a positive attitude in Aussie. The negative attitude here is palpable and most disconcerting. Good luck to National and Act should they prevail, but I think we are too far down the rabbit hole.(negative comment) oooops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I'll pose this question then Both parties are moving towards centrist policies, Chris Hipkins confirmed a lot of the stuff people were against could well be ditched. Therefore it is going to come down to who can sell it all better, Chris or Chris. I realise elections should be about policy, but it is still going to be about popular politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 So it amounts to Hipkins in a round about way, to admit their policy's are not working or won't work. Sad, when the party responsible for the mess is now able to have a shot at correcting it, while NZ dithers. Too late the horse has bolted, you couldn't do it then ,you won't do it now or in the future. I would back Luxon any day, and only for the fact he has John Key whispering in his ear. If he listens , he might as well put PM next to his name now. What National do with it will be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I would expect Hipkins to ditch unpopular policy pronto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, barryb said: You are forgetting there are a significant portion of handout people in NZ Globe, they are lining up to rob from the rich. The mentality of many in NZ is staggering, in Aus they are get of your arse types and make it themsleves. Yet surprisingly, the % of welfare spending to GDP is about the same for both countries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 This is a laugh as far as racing people go Chris Hipkins is known for his liking of sausage rolls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Chris's problems are from within - the radicals among them esp Jackson, Mahuta etc. Do they have the nous to pull back from grabbing power after waiting so long to have it (and a majority at that, no need for coalition partners/compromise)? Reality is, that neither Chris nor Chris nor Winnie nro David can unite this country after what Labour has done in the last 5 years and the last 2 in particular. Examples: reckless, uncontrolled borrowing and printing of money (QE) that has fuelled domestic inflation poor prioritisation of who got all that cash, why, and for how long. Dead and/or foreign nationals got a cost-of-living handout while hospo, tourism, health, education and primary industries were shockingly treated on multiples issues - eg immigration of workers, compliance costs, vaccination mandates, wage subsidies, more holidays (Matariki), more annual leave. appallingly high and wasteful Govt spending by outfits such as Kainga Ora (open chequebook policy), while construction sector tried to cope with supply-side crisis for 12-18 months. Jacinda Ardern used the pandemic crisis to drive Labour's socialist ideology into law - while trying to deny it. Three Waters legislation being smashed through Parliament in the run-up to Christmas was probably the last straw for most Kiwis of voting age. Local body election results in October show how unpopular Three Waters is, and Labour only 'diluted' its reform because they had to; the intention is/was clearly to take State control of locally-owned assets and add an unelected layer of power/influence (Maori-dominated). That's not how a liberal democracy functions. It has another name. Jacinda has left the building (well, at least the floor of the Beehive). History will probably show that she was a kind, compassionate leader who was completely out of her depth trying to run a country that was willing and compliant through Covid but knew when their sovereign nation was being shafted. Eh, Comrade. MM 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, Hesi said: Yet surprisingly, the % of welfare spending to GDP is about the same for both countries Quite true, but then Australia is a much wealthier country and can absorb the cost .There are ample opportunities to find work or make it happen yrself. Its still the land of milk and honey. I would go back in a heartbeat, but my Australian wife wont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, Maximus said: Chris's problems are from within - the radicals among them esp Jackson, Mahuta etc. Do they have the nous to pull back from grabbing power after waiting so long to have it (and a majority at that, no need for coalition partners/compromise)? Reality is, that neither Chris nor Chris nor Winnie nro David can unite this country after what Labour has done in the last 5 years and the last 2 in particular. Examples: reckless, uncontrolled borrowing and printing of money (QE) that has fuelled domestic inflation poor prioritisation of who got all that cash, why, and for how long. Dead and/or foreign nationals got a cost-of-living handout while hospo, tourism, health, education and primary industries were shockingly treated on multiples issues - eg immigration of workers, compliance costs, vaccination mandates, wage subsidies, more holidays (Matariki), more annual leave. appallingly high and wasteful Govt spending by outfits such as Kainga Ora (open chequebook policy), while construction sector tried to cope with supply-side crisis for 12-18 months. Jacinda Ardern used the pandemic crisis to drive Labour's socialist ideology into law - while trying to deny it. Three Waters legislation being smashed through Parliament in the run-up to Christmas was probably the last straw for most Kiwis of voting age. Local body election results in October show how unpopular Three Waters is, and Labour only 'diluted' its reform because they had to; the intention is/was clearly to take State control of locally-owned assets and add an unelected layer of power/influence (Maori-dominated). That's not how a liberal democracy functions. It has another name. Jacinda has left the building (well, at least the floor of the Beehive). History will probably show that she was a kind, compassionate leader who was completely out of her depth trying to run a country that was willing and compliant through Covid but knew when their sovereign nation was being shafted. Eh, Comrade. MM You realise 3 Waters came about from a review by the Nats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 On 1/21/2023 at 10:55 AM, barryb said: What Visitors? the players are at the Novotel & Ibis. I wouldn't go across the road to watch that shit, its past its useby date for NZ. Don't be such a hard arse Barry. Rejoice in the delight which those young women of the Black Ferns play the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 All of them, they never stop smiling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Hesi said: You realise 3 Waters came about from a review by the Nats Dont be silly now, Hesi-meister Reviewing water infrastructure was/is important. But the Labour 'solution' to take, in effect, total control and management of assets created by multiple generations of local ratepayers was not caused by a review of water infrastructure by National. It is caused by an ideology of centralised State control. For which you need SMEs to be weak and workers to be dependent on central government and their agencies for jobs. Big bureaucracy, small number of independent privately-owned businesses. That's why this Govt does not care that SMEs (eg hospo/tourism/retail) are failing in big numbers; they dont care that primary producers didnt get workers from overseas in a big hurry when we needed them - they want farmers to fail because they are the dead opposite of the Labour ideologists. Worse, to in effect 'bribe' local/territorial authorities with $$$ up front to fund improvements in return for signing up to their proposed legislation and being gagged from criticising the Govt as part of that deal, was hardly the behaviour of the most transparent Government this country has ever had or seen. In Maxi's astute opinion, the overarching problem here is that Central government does not adequately fund local authorities, but expects local government to deliver in almost every aspect of community life - not just rubbish, rates and roads, but libraries and parks and sportsfields and housing, liquor licensing, arts and culture, law and order, animal registration and behaviour, bla bla bla ...without handing over the $$$$ required to do so effectively. Hence, annual rates rises. Labour, of course, is gung-ho on centralising power and control on everything that matters most, de-powering local and regional government accordingly. Max would like to see the opposite, MM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Over the weekend i have heard many political commentators come out and mention that vitriol was a reason why JA resigned. I haven't heard JA talk about that and thats why i think something else is up. The fact that she has given specific dates makes me think that other things were involved with her decision and i would expect further down the line we will be informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Vitriol for sure, 51 death threats in 2021 is a lot. Incidentally I hope they are able to pin down all 51 and charge them. Making a death threat by anyone against anyone is a serious crime that usually results in jail time. I've come to the conclusion, that she stepped down because she knew(in consultation with her most trusted friends) she had become too polarising because of Covid, and that it was best for the party The blue bloods won't see it that way, but just saying lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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