North Island or South Island winner of the Cup?

[Double R]

Will it be the North Island with : South Coast Arden, Copy That, Bad To The Bone, Kango, or Dance Time.

or

The South Island with the rest.

I reckon the North Island may well have two of the first three in the finish.

Any thoughts?

Edited October 27, 2021 by Double R

[Addington]

21 minutes ago, Double R said:

Any thoughts?

With the Chrischurch Covid cases , will the races proceed?

[Double R]

Just now, Addington said:

With the Chrischurch Covid cases , will the races proceed?

Yes, I am hopeful they will be Addy.

They held a gallops meeting on Monday in Hamilton, when there were cases there.

[Double R]

I will be a starter to be in your North Island cheerleaders group, Karrots.

I have a feeling we are going to be very busy over Cup week, with the North Island Harness, and Thoroughbred representatives being very prominent in not only the big races, but the minor races as well.

Let's get ready to rumble!!!!

Edited October 27, 2021 by Double R

[Lightning Blue]

1 hour ago, Double R said:

Will it be the North Island with : South Coast Arden, Copy That, Bad To The Bone, Kango, or Dance Time.

or

 

More likely the North Island to be out of the placings.  somewhere like ............

South Coast Arden 5th, Copy That 6th, Bad To The Bone 7th, Kango 8th , or Dance Time 9th.

My assessment sees Self Assured (with no handicap after easy win last year), A 'Dunn' runner , and either PembrookP or Laver making up the placings. 

[Double R]

Actually, I think we will get a nice entree to cup week on Monday in the Kaikoura Cup!!!

[Globederby19]

Team CHEERLEADERS NORTH

1. Karrots - Cheer Captain

2  Double R 

3 Globe - Drinks

[Globederby19]

2 hours ago, Double R said:

ill it be the North Island with : South Coast Arden, Copy That, Bad To The Bone, Kango, or Dance Ti

Strong contingent for sure.  Self Assured is up against it this time and they wont make it easy for him should he step. If he bobbles away I cant see him winning for mine, there is too much class in that field to overcome from a handicap. My smoky would be Pembrooke Playboy of the Southerners.

[Lightning Blue]

1 hour ago, karrotsishere said:

Team Cheerleaders North

1. Karrots - Cheer Captain

2. Double R

Team Cheerleaders South

1. Lightning - Cheer Captain

2. Happy 

Hahaha I am out of the running Karrots, as was the Aussie Cheerleader BUT after Tiger Tara getting beaten a nose by Natalie and THE FIXER in 2018 , i dropped my Pom poms and the Aussies are now 'Has-beens' lol

Lightning Blue managed to 'Snavel' the Cup last century, and an old Tassie horse won 2 Cups this century aided by outstanding Anthony Butt drives . FLASHING RED.

since then leading Oz trainers John Justice got 2nd twice with Smokin Up , and the McCarthy's 3rd with FOR A REASON. we are old hat indeed , in taking out an NZ Cup.

So HAPPY SUNRISE can take the Cheer-leading Duty , duty on >>>>>>> for the southerners.

P.S Fun-fact for you Karrots>>>  A horse named HAPPY SUNRISE ran in the 1987 Nz Cup . He finished unplaced . the winner of that race LIGHTNING BLUE lol.

[pete]

5 minutes ago, Lightning Blue said:

Hahaha I am out of the running Karrots, as was the Aussie Cheerleader BUT after Tiger Tara getting beaten a nose by Natalie and THE FIXER in 2018 , i dropped my Pom poms and the Aussies are now 'Has-beens' lol

Lightning Blue managed to 'Snavel' the Cup last century, and an old Tassie horse won 2 Cups this century aided by outstanding Anthony Butt drives . FLASHING RED.

since then leading Oz trainers John Justice got 2nd twice with Smokin Up , and the McCarthy's 3rd with FOR A REASON. we are old hat indeed , in taking out an NZ Cup.

So HAPPY SUNRISE can take the Cheer-leading Duty , duty on >>>>>>> for the southerners.

P.S Fun-fact for you Karrots>>>  A horse named HAPPY SUNRISE ran in the 1987 Nz Cup . He finished unplaced . the winner of that race LIGHTNING BLUE lol.

Arden Rooney?

[Lightning Blue]

3 minutes ago, pete said:

Arden Rooney?

Of course , for Victorian Kerryn Manning.  well spotted Pete.!!!!!

A thorn in the side of ALLStars with a former Allstars trained horse. Mark and Nat would of had the last 7 Nz Cups otherwise. SMOLDA beaten narrowly by Arden Rooney, after galloping and losing 50m odd , made it all the more painful for them. 

Fun-fact 2 today . Kerryn Manning passed the 4000 winners driven marker,  this year !! what an amazing achievement>>>> to put that in perspective the great nz Tony Herlihy MNZM  has about 3500 driving winners

[Globederby19]

1 hour ago, Lightning Blue said:

Fun-fact 2 today . Kerryn Manning passed the 4000 winners driven marker,  this year !! what an amazing achievement>>>> to put that in perspective the great nz Tony Herlihy MNZM  has about 3500 driving winners

Be interesting to know how many drives she has had compared to Herlihy. ? . I think Herlihy's strike rate might be greater, although that means nothing really.

[Lightning Blue]

2 hours ago, Globederby19 said:

Be interesting to know how many drives she has had compared to Herlihy. ? . I think Herlihy's strike rate might be greater, although that means nothing really.

I think Tony would of driven in a lot less races and won a few higher quality ones over the 40 years. Kerryn training way out in country Victoria, With a lot more day meetings available to drive at. but you still have to win em'.

Still a wonderful feat to be the first Lady driver ever to win the Nz Cup. Tony has three of those I believe. 

Interestingly don't think either have won the Interdominion pacing Grand Final. ( My rated Absolute Pinnacle of Success) where Natalie R has gone totally mad, and won a stack of them, including the last one run at Auckland end of 2019. 

Tony winning quite a few with the Trotters though , being the driver for his brother's in law Mark and Barry for a long time . DIAMOND FIELD, PRIDE OF PETITE, BUSTER HANOVER all winning trot Interdom's for Tony driving.

Some more homework for Karrots too lol, google the 1997 Interdominion trot where Tony came from 'last' to win by a snotter from the late amazing trainer of trotters Graeme Lang (the Scotch Notch man) and a 1/2 head to Kerryn Manning running third on her trotter. AMAZING and CLOSEST finish ever !!!

[Lightning Blue]

15 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Why Sensei Lightning giving me ALL the homework. Iv got a NEON comedy to seek out & watch. AFTER watching these sad real life docos. 

 

Yeah those races only take a couple of minutes to watch . all done in 5 minutes. Netflix full of brutal stuff . I like more tame things. squids = no thanks.

THE AGE OF ADALINE is a good one that you would enjoy karrots . If you are looking for something Netflix. Quite an entertaining story.

[Happy Sunrise]

On 10/28/2021 at 6:51 PM, Lightning Blue said:

THE AGE OF ADALINE is a good one that you would enjoy karrots . If you are looking for something Netflix. Quite an entertaining story.

A nice story and helps with having a leading lady like that in it.

Karrots, you should really disband your northern cheerleading squad as the thought of Globe and Double R 'cheerleading' is somewhat disturbing 🤣

The South will win the Cup anyway.  That is a given. Also, SCA is a southerner isn't it? 😅

[Lightning Blue]

59 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said:

 That is a given. Also, SCA is a southerner isn't it?

Young Queensland lass doing the steering Happy. Is making all the difference 😄

[Double R]

One thing that will be certain, the winner of the Cup will be driven by a South Island driver.

It is interesting how in the thoroughbred side of the sport, that riders who live in the Waikato, of which many parts are currently in level three, are able to travel to Riccarton to ride tomorrow.

[Globederby19]

Where's the horses mask. 

[Lightning Blue]

And the Queen of the North takes Victory (karrots) , with the NZ Champ second (Mark), and the Oz lass third (Nat).

Congrats to Mr Orange driving and Mr Green training and Ms Karrots Cheering  for COPY THAT  !!! Another great NZ Cup winner in the record books.

[Double R]

On 11/9/2021 at 5:58 PM, karrotsishere said:

You beauty. TEAM NORTH. Winners - Karrots/Double R/Globe.

Yeehaa 😃

Copy THAT

Roger That, good buddy.

It was Over and Out shortly after the start.

Last half in 54.31 is always going to be hard to beat.

One horse that did put his hand up, in mind anyway, was Terry. His last half was the second fastest in the race, and his last 200 metres was the fastest. There were as many horses behind him at the finish, as were in front of him, so I think it was it very creditable effort.

Edited November 10, 2021 by Double R

[Double R]

18 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Sounds like 1 to watch out for re Terry. Note to oneself. Thought Kangos run had credit too. Seemed to be 1 of the few from the back making a move forward last 600-700 metres. And had to go 3 wide entirely around that last corner. Not sure what his sectionals were.

Funny on replay video there's a person you can clearly here over the commentator in crowd Yelling loudly "GO BLAIR" x3 times lol. Then says "yeah you little beauty". 😅😀

Kango's run was very commendable, and his sectionals were as good as I would expect, given him being three wide for the last 550 metres of the race.

[Double R]

On 10/28/2021 at 10:40 AM, Double R said:

I will be a starter to be in your North Island cheerleaders group, Karrots.

I have a feeling we are going to be very busy over Cup week, with the North Island Harness, and Thoroughbred representatives being very prominent in not only the big races, but the minor races as well.

Let's get ready to rumble!!!!

It was been an excellent week for North Island horses in the group races in Christchurch, winning a good proportion of the races at the trots and very dominate in the gallops. The north looks to rack anyone today at Riccarton, in the One Thousand Guineas, with a strong representation.

 

[Double R]

7 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Yes even wee mare She Reigns represented well. With a 3rd Cup Day from back mark. 

And Bolt For Brillance two good runs as well.

[Lightning Blue]

4 hours ago, Double R said:

And Bolt For Brillance two good runs as well.

Yes , Bolt for Brilliance held up the 'trotters' side of North v South extremely well. Would of broken the NZ '2 mile' record himself running 3rd, from way back of the field in the Dominion yesterday. What a jaw-dropping race that was.??

I was shocked they (Sundees Son) nearly broke 4.00 minutes last year. This year, SS in around 3.56.5 was quicker than Copy That winning the Nz Cup. quite amazing.

 

[Double R]

36 minutes ago, Lightning Blue said:

Yes , Bolt for Brilliance held up the 'trotters' side of North v South extremely well. Would of broken the NZ '2 mile' record himself running 3rd, from way back of the field in the Dominion yesterday. What a jaw-dropping race that was.??

I was shocked they (Sundees Son) nearly broke 4.00 minutes last year. This year, SS in around 3.56.5 was quicker than Copy That winning the Nz Cup. quite amazing.

 

Of note LB.

In 1978, the Dominion, won by Scotch Tar was run faster, than the Trotting Cup.

In 1980, when the Dominion was run on a Saturday, a week after Cup week, was won again by Scotch Tar.

Scotch Tar had started the week before on Show Day, against the pacers in the N.Z. Free for all, and had showed blistering speed to clearly lead, and while fading in the straight, still beat five horses home.