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There goes my trip to Taupo races tomorrow! Can't see them going ahead now unless there is some fancy footwork as no gatherings above 100 allowed for 3 days around the country in Level 2.

Hope that the other venues from Thursday on can put in place their Level 2 processes pretty quickly or we might have a number of meetings cancelled across all codes for a few days.

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24 minutes ago, Blind Squirrel said:

There goes my trip to Taupo races tomorrow! Can't see them going ahead now unless there is some fancy footwork as no gatherings above 100 allowed for 3 days around the country in Level 2.

Hope that the other venues from Thursday on can put in place their Level 2 processes pretty quickly or we might have a number of meetings cancelled across all codes for a few days.

Alert Level 2

Event facilities, including cinemas, stadiums, concert venues and casinos can have more than 100 people at a time, provided there are no more than 100 in a defined space, and the groups do not mix.

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Pain in the arse bigtime, I am down to fly to Chch from Auck first thing Sat morning for this weekend at Riccarton.

This will last longer than 3 days for sure, its going to depend on where they got this from, but we all know how quickly this explodes out of control and with small test numbers happening across the country it will be more widespread than this family.

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Whangarei Meeting Cancelled

 

The Whangarei meeting at Ruakaka, which had been re-scheduled to Sunday, 16 August, has been cancelled.

The travel restrictions and differing Covid19 levels in place have raised doubts as to whether TAB NZ would be able to service the meeting and whether all participants would be able to attend.

However, NZTR is planning to continue racing where possible, with strict measures in place to minimise the spread of COVID-19, and is looking at scheduling a replacement meeting in the northern region next week.

In the meantime, the meetings scheduled for Waverley on Friday and Riccarton Park on Saturday, will go ahead.

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I think whilst the lockdown might be the right way under the circumstances, I think the gov had 4 - 5 months to get the processes to the point such lockdowns were not required. We had the luxury of 3 months of nil economic impact during the first lockdown. Now, that is no longer the case. I would say once the election gets underway/new date etc, Jacinda will be gone. How long does it take to get processes up to a level that the business world would achieve. Bumbling buffoons.

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agree mardi ...

I noticed in tonight's TV ad re Covid, there is no mention at all of hand-washing, which is perhaps the single-most effective way of eliminating transmission. And for the last week the Govt has ramped up the push for wearing masks ..so why arent masks FREE?

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My son lives in Melbourne. There is a major rally planned for early Sept, a big stiff finger salute to those in charge with I think thousands turning up. Watch this space. There are cases of family's being paid money to shut up ,after Covid was entered as " cause of death" in Rest homes where in fact it was normal pre existing cause. Couple that with fictitious News items trumped up with actors to look like illegal activity shut down by the police.,who are part of the scam. I kid you not.

Last night on TV 1 news which is basically nightly bullshit, we saw a woman in Melbourne arrested on the st, bullied to the ground and handcuffed by the Police for not wearing a mask.What was conveniently not mentioned, was the fact the poor woman actually had a dispensation (legally) to not wear one for whatever reason.

Control of the masses, sound familiar.!!!.

 

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1 hour ago, mardigras said:

I think whilst the lockdown might be the right way under the circumstances, I think the gov had 4 - 5 months to get the processes to the point such lockdowns were not required. We had the luxury of 3 months of nil economic impact during the first lockdown. Now, that is no longer the case. I would say once the election gets underway/new date etc, Jacinda will be gone. How long does it take to get processes up to a level that the business world would achieve. Bumbling buffoons.

I don't really see what they could have/should have done differently to prevent or mitigate this situation?

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As an adender to that he has informed me that there are documents proving that the Covid Test does not specifically isolate the Covid virus, there are other things it may be ie flue and other similar viruses,  but a " positive test" is automatically attributed to Covid. Another Govt cover up, in Victoria anyway.

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10 minutes ago, curious said:

I don't really see what they could have/should have done differently to prevent or mitigate this situation?

I think they needed better ability to trace contacts to reduce the lockdown zone and quarantine two out. So say the 4 cases had contacts with 200, those 200 with another 200 each. That's 40k people. Contact them all and get them to isolate. Test them all, and if further found, repeat. Auckland is about 1/3 of NZ. My understanding of the likes of South Korea is their contact tracing is far more advanced allowing a more localised/concentrated strategy of confinement. I think they also dedicate massive more personnel to the contact tracing effort.

I realise nothing is perfect, but for me, it was a given there would be community transmission again - if that was always going to mean lockdown, then we diminish the work done since it may well be we are back to stage one sometime soon, repeating the exercise. And then, potentially repeating it again the next time.

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15 minutes ago, Globederby19 said:

As an adender to that he has informed me that there are documents proving that the Covid Test does not specifically isolate the Covid virus, there are other things it may be ie flue and other similar viruses,  but a " positive test" is automatically attributed to Covid. Another Govt cover up, in Victoria anyway.

What documents and what Covid test?

 

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3 minutes ago, mardigras said:

I think they needed better ability to trace contacts to reduce the lockdown zone and quarantine two out. So say the 4 cases had contacts with 200, those 200 with another 200 each. That's 40k people. Contact them all and get them to isolate. Test them all, and if further found, repeat. Auckland is about 1/3 of NZ. My understanding of the likes of South Korea is their contact tracing is far more advanced allowing a more localised/concentrated strategy of confinement. I think they also dedicate massive more personnel to the contact tracing effort.

I realise nothing is perfect, but for me, it was a given there would be community transmission again - if that was always going to mean lockdown, then we diminish the work done since it may well be we are back to stage one sometime soon, repeating the exercise. And then, potentially repeating it again the next time.

I sort of agree but I think that's what they are doing which you can't really do until the cases emerge as they have. How effectively they are doing so remains to be seen. If I had a dictatorship I'd probably have gone straight to level 4 now until that happened.

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38 minutes ago, Globederby19 said:

My son lives in Melbourne. There is a major rally planned for early Sept, a big stiff finger salute to those in charge with I think thousands turning up. Watch this space. There are cases of family's being paid money to shut up ,after Covid was entered as " cause of death" in Rest homes where in fact it was normal pre existing cause. Couple that with fictitious News items trumped up with actors to look like illegal activity shut down by the police.,who are part of the scam. I kid you not.

Last night on TV 1 news which is basically nightly bullshit, we saw a woman in Melbourne arrested on the st, bullied to the ground and handcuffed by the Police for not wearing a mask.What was conveniently not mentioned, was the fact the poor woman actually had a dispensation (legally) to not wear one for whatever reason.

Control of the masses, sound familiar.!!!.

 

Yes, no doubt plenty of that. Both my two children live in Melbourne, and there is plenty of people that simply don't give a toss. So even though control of the masses may be the idea, it isn't working anyway. It comes down to whether you think the supposed control is necessary or unnecessary. I don't think things in Victoria are that bad, but they wouldn't want them to get a lot worse - even if some deaths are attributed to it unreasonably. I certainly expect there are many that are from it that are not recorded as such.

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4 minutes ago, curious said:

I sort of agree but I think that's what they are doing which you can't really do until the cases emerge as they have. How effectively they are doing so remains to be seen. If I had a dictatorship I'd probably have gone straight to level 4 now until that happened.

I just think they should have run the scenario through, what the steps/strategy was to be. How would it pan out etc. But they no doubt realise the contact app has been a failure putting them on the backfoot.

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9 minutes ago, curious said:

What documents and what Covid test?

 

It is in a directive to clinicians from the Federal Govt Ministry of Health, which states that the PCR which is the test everyone apparently has cannot distinguish between Covid, Flue, Sars or Ebola. So in effect, every positive that is detected is immediately put down to Covid regardless. 

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9 minutes ago, Globederby19 said:

It is in a directive to clinicians from the Federal Govt Ministry of Health, which states that the PCR which is the test everyone apparently has cannot distinguish between Covid, Flue, Sars or Ebola. So in effect, every positive that is detected is immediately put down to Covid regardless. 

Think it's rubbish. MoH on the PCR test.

The accuracy of test results

The viral test for COVID-19 is accurate when taken in ideal conditions. A recent laboratory study found that different COVID-19 testing kits correctly detected COVID-19 in samples more than 95% (and frequently 100%) of the time. When tests were done on samples without the virus, the tests correctly gave a negative result 96% of the time. 

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