ngakonui grass Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Plea from Peter Hesgith father of a Navy Seal killed in Afghanistan to American leaders ''please,never again send our sons and daughters into a war you don't intend to win''' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Lucky they intended to win WW2, or we'd all be drinking saki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 America saved the world from fascism/communism/tyranny in WW2, no doubt. Remember they were LAST to get involved, as they were in WW1. The net result of that very profitable war was huge prosperity for Americans through the 50s and 60s. But the expansion of the CIA into external affairs (supposedly a domestic intelligence gathering agency!) and all the Cold War skulduggery led to the USA poking its nose for the wrong reasons into all the wrong places -"the world's policeman etc" .. against the backdrop of nuclear annihilation for us all if things went pear-shaped with the Russians. Max was too young to understand the Cuban Missile Crisis, thank goodness. Sad to say, Max is almost as wary of the Yanks these days as the Chinese. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share Posted August 4, 2021 Many vets are now coming out and saying that the ROE introduced by Obama in 2008 made it an impossible war to win,a bit like Vietmam imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 1 hour ago, ngakonui grass said: Many vets are now coming out and saying that the ROE introduced by Obama in 2008 made it an impossible war to win,a bit like Vietmam imo. Its not their war; it's not their country. JFK eventually realised this about Vietnam in 1963. His Exec Order 263 began the process of quietly withdrawing from there. The first action LBJ took (less than 48hrs) after JFK was murdered was to reverse that policy. https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsam-jfk/nsam-263.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, Maximus said: Its not their war; it's not their country. JFK eventually realised this about Vietnam in 1963. His Exec Order 263 began the process of quietly withdrawing from there. The first action LBJ took (less than 48hrs) after JFK was murdered was to reverse that policy. https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsam-jfk/nsam-263.htm LBJ's folly(a good name for a horse), he did a lot of good stuff though, to do with civil rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 FIASCO x2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 can't agree... LBJ was a plize plick... yes, civil rights advancements occurred on his watch...but that doesn't mean he genuinely supported equal rights ...compare/contrast his personal behaviour to his policy and you will see what I mean 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted August 28, 2021 Author Share Posted August 28, 2021 Did the US know of the planner before the attack? Surprised they got him so fast or is it a case of believe what we are told.Has the kill been verified by anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I feel genuinely sad for the average Afghani who thought they had at least some semblance of peace and a normal life. Real tragedy. Now it is back to a stone age religion , coupled with Isis loose cannons blowing all and sundry up. Makes our Covid problem pall into insignificance in a way. Who will fill the vacuum , Putin must be rubbing his hands with glee. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 Yanks and allies rushed in guns ablazing and they are leaveing 20 years later with no guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown fox Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I dont blame the soldiers. Politicians getting into the fray always stuff things up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPlodded Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I think it was General Schwarzkopf that said you only fight wars to win them and keep politicians out. Watch the last part of the movie “Charlie Wilson’s war” and ask yourself “haven’t the USA repeated that same mistake?”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 58 minutes ago, JustPlodded said: haven’t the USA repeated that same mistake?”. Don't they always ?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 from what i have read NZ left behind approx 500 eligible people that could come to NZ.The NZ Govt are saying that the military will no longer be dealing with evacuations so no doubt it will be Govt to Govt negotiations.Wonder how thats gunna go and how many of the 500 will still be alive when negotiations are concluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 After listening to Bidens speech to the nation today i wonder if he is responsible for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Well I always thought Mickey Mouse would get to be President, but they managed to better that with Trump. This demented old fool, reminds me of the poor old bugger you sometimes see ,stumbling behind his wife, mumbling under his breath (i,ll leave the toilet seat up if I want), waving his hand ,never won an argument in 60 yrs , used to be 6ft high and now 4ft 1. Dear me . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 The irony is Uncle Sam will go back and support the TB to stop China moving in, ironic but the likely outcome Russia has enough home issues to be involved and will look to Uncle Sam to fund USA companies will be there within 12 months to get the country up and running, South Vietnam revisited It is just the way it is, thanks Phil Collins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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