karrotsishere Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) Craig - C Sharpe Rusty - S Murtha Globe - B Wilmott DR - A Fitzgerald Mike - B White Lightening - C Wigg GOS - J Buckland-Stevens Happy - M Northcott Karrots - F Phelan Far Too Much - J Brownlee And final opportunity to earn points heres the draw. No ears for moaners as the draw was done randomly. Points will be allocated per race as = 3 for a win, 2 for 2nd, 1 for 3rd given to poster if their driver places. Edited June 21, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Gospel Of Judas said: Least not C.K . Imgaine that... Is that Punter Playingfield? Or are they 2 separate people? Reading talk about M Purvis runners. Is he doing well atm? Looking for some tips this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 Reading this by big North American owner G Banks. Thought interesting so will share. He’s pulling out of Down Under. Wonder if he means Down Under as NZ & Aussie or just Aussie. Like idea re trainer should not be allowed more than 1 entry in any race, unless field can’t fill - then must be a 2 horse limit. Looking at Camb tonight max 2 horses in a field from any 1 stable. The industry is in bigger trouble than recognized – Harness Racing Australia’s CEO Mr. Kelly has a long record of listening only to himself! The EUREKA funding is a disgrace – Slot races are never deep, top fields. Always two or three top horses and the rest just fillers! True in Canada, true in NZ, true in Australia! Never a true test, merely a public relations opportunity because of a false big prize money purse! The down under handicapping system still a disaster – This system pushes everyone to sell or export usable, good young horses below stake level. We have sold five of these in the last few months; all would have been kept under the old system! Harness racing’s leaders must understand that while building wagering (a key objective), it is NOT the only objective – There must also be a focus on giving young horses a fair chance to compete without constant handicaps and outside draws, and on giving owners a reasonable chance to make money with mediocre horses. Under the current system, anything less than a stake horse is a dead end street! Australia’s entry system allowing entrants a look see and withdrawal is incredibly counterproductive – It creates a situation under which races don’t fill, especially for young horses. Instead you need race secretaries who create appropriate sub conditions and narrower race classifications producing the competitive races all are willing to enter. Trainers should not be allowed more than one entry in any race, unless field doesn’t fill. Even then there must be a two-horse limit to break the stranglehold that the dominant barns take advantage of! Additionally, the computer draw system is a non transparent disaster, creating a widespread sense of inequity and manipulation! We certainly have no intention of purchasing any more down under yearlings or horses to race there until these problems are intelligently and fairly addressed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Blue Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 On 6/22/2022 at 6:26 AM, karrotsishere said: Now for todays question ... Who is your pick to win the amatuer drivers series? G'day Karrots . I would think Fitzgerald with the form on the board is the one to beat. I see they were having a gallop tonight and he got 2nd in Waikato , so off to a good start. And that bloody CAULFIELD won the race before it too ... grrr... cost me a heap through it's first 5 starts and wouldn't take it agian. In fairness to it David drove it pretty ordinary at times and idiot punters like myself shouldn't be backing maidens anyway. Plenty of hard triers around that like to Win. MACH SHARD from NZ with the leading Luke McCarthy driving will be in that category and near a sure winner Redcliffe Cup Sat night !!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) On 6/22/2022 at 11:53 AM, karrotsishere said: Craig - C Sharpe Rusty - S Murtha Globe - B Wilmott DR - A Fitzgerald Mike - B White Lightening - C Wigg GOS - J Buckland-Stevens Happy - M Northcott Karrots - F Phelan Far Too Much - J Brownlee And final opportunity to earn points heres the draw. No ears for moaners as the draw was done randomly. Points will be allocated per race as = 3 for a win, 2 for 2nd, 1 for 3rd given to poster if their driver places. Results After R1 - Globe takes 3 points, DR takes 2 points, Karrots 1 point - while Craig, Lightning & Karrots each get 1 point for selecting an overall winner. Updated points: Lightening 5, Karrots 4, Far Too Much 3, Globe 3, Gospel 2, DR 2, Happy 1, Craig 1. G Banks - as mentioned in an earlier post today, North American owner, is owner of Amazing Dream & American Dealer for those unaware of some horses he has. Edited June 23, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 Does anyone have the links to 2 very recently Harness articles written by C Barclay? Or are they just in print? Im interested to read them in full. Here is 1 I found for anyone interested written 10 June. There are 2 more. https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-sport/star-racing/harness-racing-corruption-allegations-evidence-handover-decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/harness-racing-corruption-allegations-legal-argument-may-go-high-court 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Just click on Chris Barclay's name at the top of the article to see what else he has written 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 Thanks Hesi. 1 last question then that will be it. Out for the day. What is Flexadin? Is it something that is usually injected a couple of hours prior a race? Cause when I googled it, it popped up as chewable tablets for dogs & horses its in a pot which looks like given in horse feed everyday or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Contains as the main active ingredient, Methylsulfonylmethane(MSM), which is a dietary source of sulphur. Tablets or powder only, unlikely that it could be injected, because it has poor solubility in cold water 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 24, 2022 Author Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) On 6/24/2022 at 10:31 AM, Hesi said: Contains as the main active ingredient, Methylsulfonylmethane(MSM), which is a dietary source of sulphur. Tablets or powder only, unlikely that it could be injected, because it has poor solubility in cold water Thx Hesi. Happy Matariki Day. Edited June 30, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 He could have, but there would not have been much MSM in solution, as it has low solubility in water at room temperature. Some of the other minor ingredients are soluble. There is very little scientific evidence to show it has any benefit at all, as a long term remedy for joint inflammation I haven't checked the not permitted substances register, but I presume Flexadin is allowed?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 24, 2022 Author Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) On 6/24/2022 at 6:24 PM, Hesi said: He could have, but there would not have been much MSM in solution, as it has low solubility in water at room temperature. Some of the other minor ingredients are soluble. There is very little scientific evidence to show it has any benefit at all, as a long term remedy for joint inflammation I haven't checked the not permitted substances register, but I presume Flexadin is allowed?? Cool. Thx again Hesi. No idea re if its allowed. Guess so. So if it is allowed why inject it on race day (which on race day injection isnt allowed). Edited June 30, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 The substances that are banned in NZ horse racing, are very broad, and if you look, include substances that would affect the musculoskeletal system, in other words, joints. Then various exemptions are listed. Flexadin is a long term treatment, just like me taking one of those supplements you can buy to relieve joint pain associated with osteoarthritis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 24, 2022 Author Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) Cool. Thx for info. Guess at end of day as he admitted at RIB trial a ban is imminent. So guess no point in debating it out fully. Edited June 30, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 24, 2022 Author Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 6/23/2022 at 10:08 PM, karrotsishere said: Results After R1 - Globe takes 3 points, DR takes 2 points, Karrots 1 point - while Craig, Lightning & Karrots each get 1 point for selecting an overall winner. Updated points: Lightening 5, Karrots 4, Far Too Much 3, Globe 3, Gospel 2, DR 2, Happy 1, Craig 1. Results update after R2 - Karrots 3 (Phelan), Mike 2 (White), Far Too Much 1 (Brownlee). Total updated - Karrots 7, Lightning 5, Far Too Much 4, Globe 3, Gospel 2, DR 2, Mike 2, Happy 1, Craig 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 26, 2022 Author Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) FINAL UPDATE WINNER - GLOBE - Bursts thru no stopping him with B Wilmott too strong in the Amatuer Drivers Series today. Todays results R4 Rusty is finally on the board 3 points (Murtha), DR 2, Far Too Much 1 (Brownlee) R5 Globe 3 (Wilmott), Gospel 2 (Buckland-Stevens), 1 Happy (Northcott) R6 Globe 2 (Wilmott), 2 Mike (White), Karrots 1 (Wigg) Final Total: Globe 9, Karrots 8 Lightening 5, Far Too Much 5, DR 4, Rusty 3, Gospel 4, Mike 4, Happy 1, Craig 1 Edited June 26, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 26, 2022 Author Share Posted June 26, 2022 A call for an increase to minimum stake to Harness & Gallops. Should it be increased? Yes I agree it should. Good on them for speaking out. Maybe a petition is needed to increase? https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/129022524/stake-money-increases-a-key-factor-in-longevity-of-southland-racing Below some bits from article. The horsemen have been in the sport for about 40 years, with Larsen, of Branxholme, being a harness racing trainer-driver and Phillips, a trainer of thoroughbreds at Winton. We [Southland harness racing] should be racing for a minimum of $15,000,” Larsen said. “I’m optimistic this can happen ... it can be achieved with prudent management. Phillips would also welcome minimum stakes moving to $15,000 in the thoroughbred code. At minor race meetings, maiden horses compete for total stake money of $12,000 per race. “Stake money has increased but so has everything else - the cost of living, fuel prices,” Phillips said. “Unless they [stakes in thoroughbred racing] keep going up, we’ll be in trouble.” Larsen echoed Phillips’ comments: “Stake rises are what we need because the costs [of owning a horse] have skyrocketed.” The going rate to train a racehorse is between $40 and $50, plus GST, a day in Southland. Harness 2020-21 season: trainers, 730; drivers, 485. 2015-16: trainers, 850; drivers, 554. 2010-11: trainers, 1071; drivers, 690. 2005-06: trainers, 1235; drivers, 765. 2000-01: trainers, 1366; drivers, 815. 1995-96: trainers, 1563; drivers, 969 Thoroughbred Current: trainers, 833; jockeys, 156; apprentice jockeys, 41. 2009-10 season: trainers, 1237; jockeys, 133; apprentice jockeys, 47. 2000-01: trainers, 1515; jockeys, 166; apprentice jockeys, 54. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 You can do online petitions, but probably a waste of time https://www.change.org/t/new-zealand-en-au Probably better with a formal submission to HRNZ/NZTR, expressing the various concerns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 17 hours ago, karrotsishere said: Globe 9, He He, just send me the photos as the prize. Bound to keep me busy for hours. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Hesi said: You can do online petitions, but probably a waste of time https://www.change.org/t/new-zealand-en-au Probably better with a formal submission to HRNZ/NZTR, expressing the various concerns My son in law,s opinion (who is now a registered agent ) selling to overseas buyers , is that we are dead in the water. There wont be any resurrection that he can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) Lets do another round. 5 current affairs Harness Questions 1 each day. Todays question. Which 2 NZ open class horses have had the exact same amount of Starts, Wins, 2nds, & 3rds this season BUT 1 has won approx 3 times stake $ than the other? 1 point for having a go. No cheating & looking up. Guessing only 😀 Edited June 27, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 43 minutes ago, karrotsishere said: Lets do another round. 5 current affairs Harness Questions 1 each day. Todays question. Which 2 NZ open class horses have had the exact same amount of Starts, Wins, 2nds, & 3rds this season BUT 1 has won approx 3 times stake $ than the other? 1 point for having a go. No cheating & looking up. Guessing only 😀 Total guess but Self Assured Cranbourne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Self Assured for sure. But the trotter Sundees Son has won heaps as well. ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karrotsishere Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) Great guesses! The correct answer is with both horses starting this season 10 times for 7 wins, 2 2nds & 1 3rd. Self Assured $756,750 Sundees Son $254,125 Globe takes out 3 points & Richie 2 for getting part of question correct. Todays question - earlier in thread I asked after Jewels & leaderboard, as it wasnt updated. It is now updated. Question name Top 4 any order boys & girls pacing section 2yos. 1 point for having a go. 2 points for getting a gender correct. 3 for getting both correct. Hint - Outdated showed Top 4 as Dont Stop Dream, Merlin, Seve, Final Collect Forever Me, Kalua Flyby, Trecherous Gall & Notorious RGB Who is still in & who is out - replaced by who? Edited June 27, 2022 by karrotsishere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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