Election 2023 ????

[Hesi]

Time to spice things up a bit

Any thoughts??

Before anyone gives me any shyte, I won't be voting Labour this election, they have been very disappointing.  The 'experiment' with socialism has not worked, time to return the country to being run on more of a business like manner.  Just hope the new regime, remembers the arrogance and smugness that saw them booted out in the first place, and governs for all NZ'ers not just those that have been fortunate enough to do well.

You would have to say it is pretty much a done deal, a Nat/ACT coalition.  The only question being, what percentage ACT get and therefore how much influence they have on policy.

I listened to Willie Jackson on radio yesterday evening, and the guy is a total joke

[Hesi]

I should point out, that National's spokesperson for Racing is David Bennett, who is retiring from politics, so as yet there is no one allocated to Racing.

ACT's spokesperson is this guy

As yet I can't find any policy from National or ACT relating to Racing

PORTFOLIO

Racing

• PEOPLE

  Damien Smith

  Damien is originally from Northern Ireland and is an ex-banker, Corporate Structured Finance & Family Office Adviser & Independent Company Director. He has a Master in Business Administration (MBA).

  He has worked in Britain, Australia and New Zealand over the past 25 years and been a Director at Macquarie Capital.

  He has consulted to Vero/Suncorp, Amalgamated Holdings, Tower Insurance, Allied Security, QUBEdocs and ASX Listed Adherium.

  Damien believes in the principles of the ACT party where free markets, government fiscal prudence, freedom of thought, small government serving the people and property rights are at the centre of our democracy and vital to protect.

  Damien has a Daughter at King's College, Auckland. They share a love for Arts, Sport & New Zealand.

[Hesi]

The only policy I can find relating to racing, is this from the Greens

• Phase out harmful activities including animal testing for cosmetics, greyhound racing, debeaking hens, factory farming and farrowing crates.

[Hesi]

NZ First has the most specific/detailed policies, but nothing related to Racing

[Globederby19]

Brooke Van Velden, deputy leader of Act is to my knowledge the only member of Parliament with an Economics degree. Trivial, but would stand her in good stead with  policy making, surrounding our economy when needed. Being apolitical myself and not trusting anyone in a position of power ,frankly I dont give a toss . Socialist or Capitalist it doesn't make one iota of difference. At least under a socialist regime everyone is equally poor.

Edited September 8 by Globederby19

[Maximus]

38 minutes ago, Globederby19 said:

Brooke Van Velden, deputy leader of Act is to my knowledge the only member of Parliament with an Economics degree. Trivial, but would stand her in good stead with  policy making, surrounding our economy when needed. Being apolitical myself and not trusting anyone in a position of power ,frankly I dont give a toss . Socialist or Capitalist it doesn't make one iota of difference. At least under a socialist regime everyone is equally poor.

and equally powerless, equally expendable and equally dependent on the State.

Willie Jackson's inane nonsense scaremongering this week is proof enuf that the radical left within Labour are running scared of the centre-right backlash that is surely coming their way in a matter of weeks. I daresay the coffers will be bled dry by then.

MM

[Tonkatime]

On 9/7/2023 at 1:05 PM, Hesi said:

I should point out, that National's spokesperson for Racing is David Bennett, who is retiring from politics, so as yet there is no one allocated to Racing.

ACT's spokesperson is this guy

As yet I can't find any policy from National or ACT relating to Racing

PORTFOLIO

Racing

• PEOPLE

  Damien Smith

  Damien is originally from Northern Ireland and is an ex-banker, Corporate Structured Finance & Family Office Adviser & Independent Company Director. He has a Master in Business Administration (MBA).

  He has worked in Britain, Australia and New Zealand over the past 25 years and been a Director at Macquarie Capital.

  He has consulted to Vero/Suncorp, Amalgamated Holdings, Tower Insurance, Allied Security, QUBEdocs and ASX Listed Adherium.

  Damien believes in the principles of the ACT party where free markets, government fiscal prudence, freedom of thought, small government serving the people and property rights are at the centre of our democracy and vital to protect.

  Damien has a Daughter at King's College, Auckland. They share a love for Arts, Sport & New Zealand.

Damien Smith is retiring this election. 

[barryb]

On 9/7/2023 at 10:03 AM, Hesi said:

Time to spice things up a bit

Any thoughts??

Before anyone gives me any shyte, I won't be voting Labour this election, they have been very disappointing.  The 'experiment' with socialism has not worked, time to return the country to being run on more of a business like manner.  Just hope the new regime, remembers the arrogance and smugness that saw them booted out in the first place, and governs for all NZ'ers not just those that have been fortunate enough to do well.

You would have to say it is pretty much a done deal, a Nat/ACT coalition.  The only question being, what percentage ACT get and therefore how much influence they have on policy.

I listened to Willie Jackson on radio yesterday evening, and the guy is a total joke

Hesi your memory is failing bigtime, the Nats had a huge % of the vote when they lost 6 yrs ago. Winston. Went against his policy of working with what the majority wanted and that was a Nat Govt re-elected.

[pete]

1 hour ago, barryb said:

Hesi your memory is failing bigtime, the Nats had a huge % of the vote when they lost 6 yrs ago. Winston. Went against his policy of working with what the majority wanted and that was a Nat Govt re-elected.

Yes I thought 'booted out' was rather amusing as well.

[barryb]

The worry is a loon like Hesi switching from Loser Labour to nutty Greens or Winston first.

My thoughts are that we should be sending loons like Hesi an invoice for fucking the country financially with his social experiment.

On Tues this week we are going to find out the real truth about how bad things really are.

[Hesi]

As I said, the Nats only had themselves to blame.  Hopefully they have learnt from that

[barryb]

15 minutes ago, Hesi said:

As I said, the Nats only had themselves to blame.  Hopefully they have learnt from that

How do you figure that?

They were by far the majority party & Winston got his vote that was from older generation people that didn't want to see any change & what he did is start the path to poverty for many & the country.

The older generation are lining up again to vote for him, it defies belief that they are so stupid to vote for a guy whom has burnt his supporters in the past.

They are mostly Labour voters whom have had a gutsfull & can't bring themsleves to vote Tory.

[Maximus]

9 hours ago, barryb said:

Hesi your memory is failing bigtime, the Nats had a huge % of the vote when they lost 6 yrs ago. Winston. Went against his policy of working with what the majority wanted and that was a Nat Govt re-elected.

yes correct barryb...and because Winston First alone had the balance of power (ACT not required) he opted for what he called a "transformational" Government (translation: a Govt with a young and inexperienced leader he thought he could control)

We got a transformational Govt alright...but Winnie got blindsided by the immense popularity of the Angel of Mercy through the Twin Terrors of Chch and Covid. She didn't need him after 2020, and we've had Willie Jackson and Nana Mahuta et al ever since, Robertson spending like there's no tomorrow in all the wrong areas and delivering SFA except higher wages, more holidays, higher compliance/H&S costs for businesses, high inflation with rising interest rates, and an exodus of skilled Kiwis to Oz and beyond. Our motels taken over by Kainga Ora to house the homeless; unprecedented levels of youth crime and gangs out of control; declining education standards and a health system in an ongoing crisis.

If that's what socialist government delivers in 6 years, well let's hope it is a centre-right landslide because this country will be a banana republic inside 10 years if we don't turn things around.

MM

 

[Maximus]

Can anyone really believe Marama Davidson spouting her nonsense policy about 5 weeks paid annual leave. Apparently its justified cos we hardworking Kiwis are holding down two or three jobs and going backwards. No time for rest or family or any of the good things in life.

Well, pray tell me how adding the burden (to employers) of paying for another weeks leave is going to help?

Count the paid days leave, people:

5 x 5 =25 days Annual Leave

Add 10 days of public holidays - 4 at Xmas/ New Year; Waitangi, Good Friday, Easter Monday, Anzac Day, Matariki, Labour Day =10

Add Sick Leave 10 days

Add Bereavement Leave (min 3 days)

So under the Greenies way of running the show, employers would have to pay for up to 48 days for a fulltime employee, who is PRODUCING NOTHING COS THEY AINT AT WORK.

To put it another way, that's almost 10 weeks of absence from work out of 52 weeks - 20% of the work year.

Is it any wonder this country is in the shite?

MM

 

 

[Maximus]

add to the above ...

up to 10 days Family Violence leave

[Howard Atkinson]

Big night ahead for Christopher Luxon, in the first Leaders Debate.
Got taken apart by Jack Tame on Q & A a week or so back . . . and is at long odds to come back from that.
He sounds very much like 'The Donald', in that everything he is associated with is apparently an "incredible" plan or an "incredible" success.
Dollars to donuts that we don't go 10 minutes into tonight's debate before we hear the word "incredible" coming out of his mouth.
With Labour completely out of favour because all of the strife in New Zealanders' lives since the mosques shootings, all National with their mediocre candidates and dubious leadership had to do was keep their traps shut and they would sleep-walk to victory in the October election. But then along came their hare-brained plan for financing their tax plan, and suddenly Labour are right back in the race ! Talk about shooting oneself in the foot ! It was incredible to hear Nicola Willis say in live debate that she had no idea what impact National's policies would have on the New Zealand public ! Deer-in-headlights stuff. At least David Seymour sounds like he knows what he's talking about. For the first time ever I think I'll be going ACT.

[pete]

I don't honestly believe Labour are 'right back in the race' Howie.

They're at the stage where the phone's off the hook and nobody believes a word they say any more.

Way too much focus in the MSM on National's tax policy and none on all the imaginary lollies that Hipkins is tossing around desperately.

Sportsbet currently have National at $1.15.

[Howard Atkinson]

3 minutes ago, pete said:

I don't honestly believe Labour are 'right back in the race' Howie.

They're at the stage where the phone's off the hook and nobody believes a word they say any more.

Way too much focus in the MSM on National's tax policy and none on all the imaginary lollies that Hipkins is tossing around desperately.

Sportsbet currently have National at $1.15.

Yes, I probably overstated the situation saying that Labour are 'right back in the race', Pete.
It really is National's to lose, and $1.15 seems reasonable in the circumstances.
They seem to be trying too hard though . . . and that is where the errors come in.
Keep their heads down, their mouths shut . . . and they really can sleep-walk to a very easy win come 14 October.
 

[Hesi]

I think the only issue left, is what percentage of the party vote will ACT get, and therefore how much bargaining power will they have with getting policy taken onboard by National, and there does appear to be friction there.

I suspect they are going to get 12-15%, most of the rural community I talk to, are supporting ACT.

The other aspect, is that you get the same story when talking to people about Luxon and Willis, something about them, doesn't quite gel, which will also help the ACT vote

[pete]

Forget the debate. The presenter is awful and shouldn't be allowed to do this again.

Turned it off but Luxon presented pretty well I thought.

[Maximus]

what are the odds on a centre-right landslide cos it's a moral certainty that's what we're gonna get.

Labour desperate in the extreme - the latest being over prison policy (throwing out the targets they pushed for so long). Labour have delivered nothing of any consequence in 6yrs despite being the only majority Gummit since MMP was introduced.

The Mustelid blames Winston as much as Jacinda/Robertson throwing billions around the place with no accountability (and no measurable results), fuelling domestic inflation, cost of living crisis etc etc ...while dividing the country over vax mandates and allowing the rise of gangs and youth crime.

Luxon and team will win comfortably, though Max would prefer Nicola Willis to be running the show, not John Key-Lite aka Luxon.
Hopefully, Winston can sit powerless in the middle somewhere ie not required, and certainly not the Kingmaker he thinks he still is.

Roll on 14 October.

MM

 

[Dancing Show]

That's interesting.. I saw Luxon as a man with no answers.   He couldn't give a response to anything other than we are giving tax relief.   Just because chippie had answers to everything doesn't make him desperate it just means he has some answers and at least that's a starting point..     with Luxon or the cold unemotional unempathetic fish that calls herself Willis,  you may not get the answers you want because they don't know.. or they haven't done the books yet.. which is something that I think is the case with the taxes 🙂 

 

[Dancing Show]

31 minutes ago, Maximus said:

what are the odds on a centre-right landslide cos it's a moral certainty that's what we're gonna get.

Labour desperate in the extreme - the latest being over prison policy (throwing out the targets they pushed for so long). Labour have delivered nothing of any consequence in 6yrs despite being the only majority Gummit since MMP was introduced.

The Mustelid blames Winston as much as Jacinda/Robertson throwing billions around the place with no accountability (and no measurable results), fuelling domestic inflation, cost of living crisis etc etc ...while dividing the country over vax mandates and allowing the rise of gangs and youth crime.

Luxon and team will win comfortably, though Max would prefer Nicola Willis to be running the show, not John Key-Lite aka Luxon.
Hopefully, Winston can sit powerless in the middle somewhere ie not required, and certainly not the Kingmaker he thinks he still is.

Roll on 14 October.

MM

 

Be careful what you wish for Maxi 🙂  .. and if they get in, let's see how many of Labour's ideas they leave in place .. I'm picking quite a few 🙂 but then what would I know.. Economists don't know anything apparently 🙂 

[barryb]

4 hours ago, Hesi said:

I think the only issue left, is what percentage of the party vote will ACT get, and therefore how much bargaining power will they have with getting policy taken onboard by National, and there does appear to be friction there.

I suspect they are going to get 12-15%, most of the rural community I talk to, are supporting ACT.

The other aspect, is that you get the same story when talking to people about Luxon and Willis, something about them, doesn't quite gel, which will also help the ACT vote

It’s taken 10 plus years but you finally posted intelligently.

The difference between the main parties is not much, just application, when faced with Greens/Maori or Act the difference is clear & the decision is easy.
Early exit at the World Cup & rain on election day is great news for the Nats, the outcome is certain already, it’s the minor party strength that’s key.

Edited September 19 by barryb

[Globederby19]

20 minutes ago, Dancing Show said:

he cold unemotional unempathetic fish that calls herself Willis

She should fit right in then, it would make a change from the "all teeth Angel of Mercy and the grinning Ron Howard lookalike", who couldn't give a response to "what is a woman"  I can see her taking over the reigns from a floundering Luxon eventually. . ,Frankly no one from here on in is going to climb out of the Rabbit hole NZ is in.