Election 2023 ????

[Hesi]

Time to spice things up a bit

Any thoughts??

Before anyone gives me any shyte, I won't be voting Labour this election, they have been very disappointing.  The 'experiment' with socialism has not worked, time to return the country to being run on more of a business like manner.  Just hope the new regime, remembers the arrogance and smugness that saw them booted out in the first place, and governs for all NZ'ers not just those that have been fortunate enough to do well.

You would have to say it is pretty much a done deal, a Nat/ACT coalition.  The only question being, what percentage ACT get and therefore how much influence they have on policy.

I listened to Willie Jackson on radio yesterday evening, and the guy is a total joke

[Hesi]

I should point out, that National's spokesperson for Racing is David Bennett, who is retiring from politics, so as yet there is no one allocated to Racing.

ACT's spokesperson is this guy

As yet I can't find any policy from National or ACT relating to Racing

PORTFOLIO

Racing

• PEOPLE

  Damien Smith

  Damien is originally from Northern Ireland and is an ex-banker, Corporate Structured Finance & Family Office Adviser & Independent Company Director. He has a Master in Business Administration (MBA).

  He has worked in Britain, Australia and New Zealand over the past 25 years and been a Director at Macquarie Capital.

  He has consulted to Vero/Suncorp, Amalgamated Holdings, Tower Insurance, Allied Security, QUBEdocs and ASX Listed Adherium.

  Damien believes in the principles of the ACT party where free markets, government fiscal prudence, freedom of thought, small government serving the people and property rights are at the centre of our democracy and vital to protect.

  Damien has a Daughter at King's College, Auckland. They share a love for Arts, Sport & New Zealand.

[Hesi]

The only policy I can find relating to racing, is this from the Greens

• Phase out harmful activities including animal testing for cosmetics, greyhound racing, debeaking hens, factory farming and farrowing crates.

[Hesi]

NZ First has the most specific/detailed policies, but nothing related to Racing

[Globederby19]

Brooke Van Velden, deputy leader of Act is to my knowledge the only member of Parliament with an Economics degree. Trivial, but would stand her in good stead with  policy making, surrounding our economy when needed. Being apolitical myself and not trusting anyone in a position of power ,frankly I dont give a toss . Socialist or Capitalist it doesn't make one iota of difference. At least under a socialist regime everyone is equally poor.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Globederby19

[Tonkatime]

On 9/7/2023 at 1:05 PM, Hesi said:

I should point out, that National's spokesperson for Racing is David Bennett, who is retiring from politics, so as yet there is no one allocated to Racing.

ACT's spokesperson is this guy

As yet I can't find any policy from National or ACT relating to Racing

PORTFOLIO

Racing

• PEOPLE

  Damien Smith

  Damien is originally from Northern Ireland and is an ex-banker, Corporate Structured Finance & Family Office Adviser & Independent Company Director. He has a Master in Business Administration (MBA).

  He has worked in Britain, Australia and New Zealand over the past 25 years and been a Director at Macquarie Capital.

  He has consulted to Vero/Suncorp, Amalgamated Holdings, Tower Insurance, Allied Security, QUBEdocs and ASX Listed Adherium.

  Damien believes in the principles of the ACT party where free markets, government fiscal prudence, freedom of thought, small government serving the people and property rights are at the centre of our democracy and vital to protect.

  Damien has a Daughter at King's College, Auckland. They share a love for Arts, Sport & New Zealand.

Damien Smith is retiring this election. 

[pete]

1 hour ago, barryb said:

Hesi your memory is failing bigtime, the Nats had a huge % of the vote when they lost 6 yrs ago. Winston. Went against his policy of working with what the majority wanted and that was a Nat Govt re-elected.

Yes I thought 'booted out' was rather amusing as well.

[Hesi]

As I said, the Nats only had themselves to blame.  Hopefully they have learnt from that

[Howard Atkinson]

Big night ahead for Christopher Luxon, in the first Leaders Debate.
Got taken apart by Jack Tame on Q & A a week or so back . . . and is at long odds to come back from that.
He sounds very much like 'The Donald', in that everything he is associated with is apparently an "incredible" plan or an "incredible" success.
Dollars to donuts that we don't go 10 minutes into tonight's debate before we hear the word "incredible" coming out of his mouth.
With Labour completely out of favour because all of the strife in New Zealanders' lives since the mosques shootings, all National with their mediocre candidates and dubious leadership had to do was keep their traps shut and they would sleep-walk to victory in the October election. But then along came their hare-brained plan for financing their tax plan, and suddenly Labour are right back in the race ! Talk about shooting oneself in the foot ! It was incredible to hear Nicola Willis say in live debate that she had no idea what impact National's policies would have on the New Zealand public ! Deer-in-headlights stuff. At least David Seymour sounds like he knows what he's talking about. For the first time ever I think I'll be going ACT.

[pete]

I don't honestly believe Labour are 'right back in the race' Howie.

They're at the stage where the phone's off the hook and nobody believes a word they say any more.

Way too much focus in the MSM on National's tax policy and none on all the imaginary lollies that Hipkins is tossing around desperately.

Sportsbet currently have National at $1.15.

[Howard Atkinson]

3 minutes ago, pete said:

I don't honestly believe Labour are 'right back in the race' Howie.

They're at the stage where the phone's off the hook and nobody believes a word they say any more.

Way too much focus in the MSM on National's tax policy and none on all the imaginary lollies that Hipkins is tossing around desperately.

Sportsbet currently have National at $1.15.

Yes, I probably overstated the situation saying that Labour are 'right back in the race', Pete.
It really is National's to lose, and $1.15 seems reasonable in the circumstances.
They seem to be trying too hard though . . . and that is where the errors come in.
Keep their heads down, their mouths shut . . . and they really can sleep-walk to a very easy win come 14 October.
 

[Hesi]

I think the only issue left, is what percentage of the party vote will ACT get, and therefore how much bargaining power will they have with getting policy taken onboard by National, and there does appear to be friction there.

I suspect they are going to get 12-15%, most of the rural community I talk to, are supporting ACT.

The other aspect, is that you get the same story when talking to people about Luxon and Willis, something about them, doesn't quite gel, which will also help the ACT vote

[pete]

Forget the debate. The presenter is awful and shouldn't be allowed to do this again.

Turned it off but Luxon presented pretty well I thought.

[Dancing Show]

That's interesting.. I saw Luxon as a man with no answers.   He couldn't give a response to anything other than we are giving tax relief.   Just because chippie had answers to everything doesn't make him desperate it just means he has some answers and at least that's a starting point..     with Luxon or the cold unemotional unempathetic fish that calls herself Willis,  you may not get the answers you want because they don't know.. or they haven't done the books yet.. which is something that I think is the case with the taxes 🙂 

 

[Dancing Show]

31 minutes ago, Maximus said:

what are the odds on a centre-right landslide cos it's a moral certainty that's what we're gonna get.

Labour desperate in the extreme - the latest being over prison policy (throwing out the targets they pushed for so long). Labour have delivered nothing of any consequence in 6yrs despite being the only majority Gummit since MMP was introduced.

The Mustelid blames Winston as much as Jacinda/Robertson throwing billions around the place with no accountability (and no measurable results), fuelling domestic inflation, cost of living crisis etc etc ...while dividing the country over vax mandates and allowing the rise of gangs and youth crime.

Luxon and team will win comfortably, though Max would prefer Nicola Willis to be running the show, not John Key-Lite aka Luxon.
Hopefully, Winston can sit powerless in the middle somewhere ie not required, and certainly not the Kingmaker he thinks he still is.

Roll on 14 October.

MM

 

Be careful what you wish for Maxi 🙂  .. and if they get in, let's see how many of Labour's ideas they leave in place .. I'm picking quite a few 🙂 but then what would I know.. Economists don't know anything apparently 🙂 

[Globederby19]

20 minutes ago, Dancing Show said:

he cold unemotional unempathetic fish that calls herself Willis

She should fit right in then, it would make a change from the "all teeth Angel of Mercy and the grinning Ron Howard lookalike", who couldn't give a response to "what is a woman"  I can see her taking over the reigns from a floundering Luxon eventually. . ,Frankly no one from here on in is going to climb out of the Rabbit hole NZ is in. 

[Tonkatime]

4 hours ago, pete said:

I don't honestly believe Labour are 'right back in the race' Howie.

They're at the stage where the phone's off the hook and nobody believes a word they say any more.

Way too much focus in the MSM on National's tax policy and none on all the imaginary lollies that Hipkins is tossing around desperately.

Sportsbet currently have National at $1.15.

They also had Hillary Clinton at similar odds. 

[Tonkatime]

1 minute ago, Tonkatime said:

They also had Hillary Clinton at similar odds. 

But I otherwise agree with your point Pete. 

[Tonkatime]

4 hours ago, Hesi said:

I think the only issue left, is what percentage of the party vote will ACT get, and therefore how much bargaining power will they have with getting policy taken onboard by National, and there does appear to be friction there.

I suspect they are going to get 12-15%, most of the rural community I talk to, are supporting ACT.

The other aspect, is that you get the same story when talking to people about Luxon and Willis, something about them, doesn't quite gel, which will also help the ACT vote

I wouldn’t count NZ First out. Once a few more centre left voters come to the conclusion labour can’t win they may flip over to NZ First to try and manufacture a more centrist National coalition. It would only take a percentage or two to do so and NZ First would start edging closer to 10% than 5%. I think they could finish up on 8 -9% potentially. 

[Globederby19]

38 minutes ago, barryb said:

You are a dramatist Globe, on a world scale we are pretty well off here,

You mean those that have are. We are fast becoming a South Pacific version of Argentina, an educated minority with an immigrant population and 45% of the rest living below the poverty line. Although NZ,s idea of poverty is laughable. And a bit of trivia. Aussie has decided to keep its coal burning electricity generation going until 2035.  Plan B isn't ready, sorry Greens.

[Hesi]

1 hour ago, barryb said:

It’s taken 10 plus years but you finally posted intelligently.

The difference between the main parties is not much, just application, when faced with Greens/Maori or Act the difference is clear & the decision is easy.
Early exit at the World Cup & rain on election day is great news for the Nats, the outcome is certain already, it’s the minor party strength that’s key.

As I said before the Nats got what they deserved having it stuck up them in 2017, they had become arrogant twats.  Let's hope they don't forget that, I suspect they will.

Senior Nats like Brownlee, English and Nick Smith, arrogantly scoffing at the suggestion there was a housing crisis in NZ.  And that was at a time when after 9 years of Nats rule, house prices in Auckland had gone from on average 400K to 800K

When I started that thread on RC 6 weeks before the 2017 election, I posted that Peters would go with Labour, so many senior Nats in the past had stuck it up Peters, he was never going to go with them.

[pete]

7 hours ago, Hesi said:

As I said before the Nats got what they deserved having it stuck up them in 2017, they had become arrogant twats.  Let's hope they don't forget that, I suspect they will.

Senior Nats like Brownlee, English and Nick Smith, arrogantly scoffing at the suggestion there was a housing crisis in NZ.  And that was at a time when after 9 years of Nats rule, house prices in Auckland had gone from on average 400K to 800K

When I started that thread on RC 6 weeks before the 2017 election, I posted that Peters would go with Labour, so many senior Nats in the past had stuck it up Peters, he was never going to go with them.

I see you're still trotting out your revisionist line about National having it 'stuck up them' in 2017.

The only sticking up was done by Peters giving two fingers to the 44.4% of electors who voted National.

[Howard Atkinson]

13 hours ago, pete said:

Forget the debate. The presenter is awful and shouldn't be allowed to do this again.

Turned it off but Luxon presented pretty well I thought.

Yes, I too thought that Luxon presented pretty well, Pete.
There were so many topics and everything was being moved along so quickly there wasn't the platform to get into anything other than the superficial, and that helped him.
Overall, a good enough result for National. No big 'faux pas'.

[ngakonui grass]

imo they both went well but the issue now is do people want more of labour and i think  thats the only issue.

JA ruined want should have been a cakewalk campaign and Hipkin is finding hard to defend Labs record.

 

[Hesi]

Luxon did not come out of this well in this clip with tonight's mediator Rebecca Wright