Lightning Blue Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Starts today in Ahmedabad . ENGLAND V NZ a grand Final from Lords Replay !!! Nz Nemesis Ben Stokes (a born Nzer) likely Not to Play with a hip injury . very civil of Ben to Not dismantle his home nation again. Going in as a specialist batter and won't be bowling during this tournament when he does play. New Zealand going for a hat trick of runners up medals. 2nd to England last time, and smacked off the MCG by Aussie in 2015 not seeing out the 50 overs. went very close last time at Lords though so are a 'runner's Chance'? 😉 Probably about time the Baggie Greens smacked up yet another World Cup 🏆 victory. 5 out of 12 so far. Bring It On !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Blue Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) What an exceptionally good win to the Black capped kiwis !! Had the Poms uncomfortable throughout . was great to see. (a little 'pay-back' for the unjust decision that gave poms the win at Lords last time in the World Cup Final 👍) The spinner even bowled Joe Root between his legs 😆. was a very BIG victory and Nz set to Win the tournament on that form .🏆 Edited October 5, 2023 by Lightning Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Lightning Blue said: What an exceptionally good win to the Black capped kiwis !! Had the Poms uncomfortable throughout . was great to see. (a little 'pay-back' for the unjust decision that gave poms the win at Lords last time in the World Cup Final 👍) The spinner even bowled Joe Root between his legs 😆. was a very BIG victory and Nz set to Win the tournament on that form .🏆 England had a bad day at the office, LB, but Max certainly enjoyed seeing them squirm while we piled on the runs and smashed em to all parts of the globe (to quote George Simon). Ravindra a revelation at #3 and I feel a tad sorry for Will Young who now will find it hard to keep his spot. Any reason why Ravindra couldn't open when Williamson returns? RR was there for all but 7 balls and has the confidence/courage and skill (hand-eye coordination, technique) to play express pace from ball 1. Interesting times ahead! MM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Watched the England innings, and thought a slightly below par effort, but never expected such a huge result when read Cricinfo this morning. Will Young must be feeling like a real wally. All done and dusted in 36 overs, with no further loss. At that rate they could have put up a world record 450 plus, and against a top team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Maxi's post on a separate thread... This never-ending tournament has begun in sensational fashion. As a life-long fan of the Black Caps (amended to 'Craps' on a bad day), Max made the effort to watch the opener overnight v England. A match for the ages. The only way it would've been better is if it had been the Final, not the Starter. Congrats to all involved, but especially Rachin Ravindra. No one expected a World Cup debutant to do what he did at #3. Truly astonishing confidence and courage, with nary a false shot played by Ravindra or Conway in a stellar unbroken partnership of 200 and plenty. Brilliant. Only problem now: that's a hard act to follow...but they have about two months to build on it LOL. MM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 It is not a never ending tournament, it is a good format that means no excuses. Every team plays every other team in a round robin, and the top 4 teams play off. What do you want, a RWC format, where the top 4 teams are on the same side of the draw, so 2 must miss the semis. That is a bit half baked. If I recall correctly, they have always had this format, and the Black Caps have excelled in it. I think in 1992, they even went through the round robin unbeaten, when they had Dipak Pated opening the batting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown fox Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Run rate from first match a huge advantage😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 8 hours ago, Hesi said: It is not a never ending tournament, it is a good format that means no excuses. Every team plays every other team in a round robin, and the top 4 teams play off. What do you want, a RWC format, where the top 4 teams are on the same side of the draw, so 2 must miss the semis. That is a bit half baked. If I recall correctly, they have always had this format, and the Black Caps have excelled in it. I think in 1992, they even went through the round robin unbeaten, when they had Dipak Pated opening the batting Now now Hesimeister that comment was a Maxi joke (about 'never-ending' format, have you never heard of the word/term hyperbole?)..but you need to be corrected about Dipak Patel ...the master stroke from the Black Caps in '92 was to open the bowling with the spinmeister Dipak, apparently a Martin Crowe idea. Worked a treat, too. Commonplace these days and may well be in the thinking for teams in the 2023 CWC. MM PS: Having just watched the highlights from today, Max has noticed how much things went our way at crucial times ...Ravindra bowling half trackers that Brook despatched to the boundary ..4.4.6 then OUT from another short/crap delivery. As the old saying goes, shit gets wickets. For me CONWAY is going to be crucial for our chances ...he is in sublime nick right now, plays so well on the subcontinent and has the technique and patience to pace himself in the 50-over format. Note also that Conway took the catch off his mate Ravindra's bowling to get the dangerous Brook relatively cheaply. MM PPS They didnt always have this format..seem to recall a thing called Super Sixes where the top 6 only got through. The round-robin is .as you say. the best format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Black Caps demolished Nederlands as expected, but not without having to do some work - fending away three maidens at the start (always tricky!!), consolidating through the middle overs when their spinners bowled very well, cashing in (esp last 3 overs, and 13 runs off the 'last ball' - a no-ball that was hot for six and a free hit to end the innings went the same way - tks Mr Santner). Good to see Young, Mitchell and Latham posting decent scores after not getting underway v England. Our bowlers always had their batters under control (whatever happened to the word 'batsman', booted out of the dictionary by the wokesters?). Great to see Santner lapping up the spin-friendly conditions, and Ravindra improving with every outing - he stil ltneds to drop one or two half-trackers into most overs, so he could go for a lot of runs agst big-hitting teams). Stead will have some interesting selection decisions shortly - Southee, Williamson to return? What to do with Neesham? The next two games are in Chennai where Aus v India match indicates a wicket that may prove difficult for the batsmen! (India lost three for spit, chasing just 200, remember!) MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 46 minutes ago, Maximus said: Black Caps demolished Nederlands as expected, but not without having to do some work - fending away three maidens at the start (always tricky!!), consolidating through the middle overs when their spinners bowled very well, cashing in (esp last 3 overs, and 13 runs off the 'last ball' - a no-ball that was hot for six and a free hit to end the innings went the same way - tks Mr Santner). Good to see Young, Mitchell and Latham posting decent scores after not getting underway v England. Our bowlers always had their batters under control (whatever happened to the word 'batsman', booted out of the dictionary by the wokesters?). Great to see Santner lapping up the spin-friendly conditions, and Ravindra improving with every outing - he stil ltneds to drop one or two half-trackers into most overs, so he could go for a lot of runs agst big-hitting teams). Stead will have some interesting selection decisions shortly - Southee, Williamson to return? What to do with Neesham? The next two games are in Chennai where Aus v India match indicates a wicket that may prove difficult for the batsmen! (India lost three for spit, chasing just 200, remember!) MM This just looks plain crazy on the surface of it. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/new-zealand-v-netherlands-ian-smith-stumped-by-bizarre-not-out-decision/L7E3BXVPYJFFLE2SEZSFYK6AEM/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Blue Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, pete said: This just looks plain crazy on the surface of it. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/new-zealand-v-netherlands-ian-smith-stumped-by-bizarre-not-out-decision/L7E3BXVPYJFFLE2SEZSFYK6AEM/ That was certainly a 'microscope ' like reversal of a decision. hate those ones like that ...... especially if it's like a run-out decision , where a desparate batsmen has dived and made his ground over/on the crease line , and Then they start measuring using 'zoom-in replays' whether the bat lifted a cm or so, off the ground as he landed . Better at the gallops or trots where once you hit the line , you've hit the line and that's it . who cares where you are after that.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Smithie is 'spot on' to be irritated by that decision...not because the decision was wrong, but where it might lead... For instance ..are we now going to have the Third Umpire (or whoever) monitoring the exact placement of the keeper's gloves through every delivery of a game just in case the tips of the gloves move marginally ahead of the line of the stumps (wicket) at any stage after the ball is release from the bowler's arm? Because that's the precedent being set here. The off-pitch umpires(s) check/review every delivery now as to whether or not it's a 'fair delivery' (ie overstepping = no-ball) ...so is every ball going to be checked in case it's a no-ball by the keeper getting his fingers in front of the stumps? PATHETIC. MM 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 If it was NZ vs Aus and the declaration of a no ball under the same circumstances gave the game to NZ, would you have the same view. I think not, it would be, rules are rules. Similar situation to the Bairstow run out, when the rules were applied to the letter of the law 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 3:11 PM, Hesi said: If it was NZ vs Aus and the declaration of a no ball under the same circumstances gave the game to NZ, would you have the same view. I think not, it would be, rules are rules. Similar situation to the Bairstow run out, when the rules were applied to the letter of the law but applied inconsistently ...and that's the rub! MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Having caught up with the S Af demolition of Australia overnight, Max is in fine fettle going into a big weekend. Nothing better than seeing two Sandpapergate culprits dismissed for stuff-all. And the Ozzies dropping more catches than they normally would in a season. If the weather gets in the way against a lowly future opponent and points are shared, their job will get even harder. But they're good at bouncing back. Black Caps in good nick going to Chennai, but beware the Bangladesh.... no easybeats these days in any format. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Hard to criticise that performance by the Black Caps. Assessed the nature of the wicket correctly, Ferguson bowled with fire, Santner accurate as ever, took our catches and kept em quiet apart from one decent partnership. Then batted very well again. Three matches gone and the /bcs have only lost 5 wickets. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown fox Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Mitchell Santner's mother is part of the Raglan Ramblers hiking group which I am part of. She is a lovely lady and has some interesting stories on India and England County cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Blue Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/14/2023 at 11:00 AM, Maximus said: Hard to criticise that performance by the Black Caps. Assessed the nature of the wicket correctly, Ferguson bowled with fire, Santner accurate as ever, took our catches and kept em quiet apart from one decent partnership. Then batted very well again. Three matches gone and the /bcs have only lost 5 wickets. MM Hey this could be the year of the BlackCap !! Just checking some results and India and NZ seem the best. Aus were a bit good for Sri Lanka but were smashed by the Indians , so don't look a winning hope. The Poms were beat by Afghanistan ???😳 what the ..... lol.....doubt the BlackCaps would/could slump to that sort of form today . and Netherlands beat South Africa ?? must of been some side Bets going on or something? 🤣 like Hansie Cronje in old SA days 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Max is just luvin this World Cup, proper round-robin format to make semis, and anyone can beat anyone on any given day. A true test of consistency over time in various subcontinent conditions. Fab to see Afghanistan beat England and now Pakistan; Poms are wobbling all over the show with their over-rated batting strength being shown up in Indian conditions (has no one told them this is not Lords); Aussies equally inconsistent but showing glimmers of form lately. So who is likely to make the Top 4 ? India - no doubt about that. Doubt if they'll drop more than one game, probably go through unbeaten New Zealand - we mustnt get complacent, could easily lose tot S Af and Aus and Pakistan, then would have to beat Sri Lanka in last of 9 round-robin games. Hopefully we'll win at least two of these last four. S Africa - capable of anything on their day, but the Black Caps have the 'wood' on them in World Cup encounters. One more...but who? England are the most vulnerable - down in confidence and form, and with India, Australia and Pakistan still on their schedule. Australia, currently 4th, have a well-balanced side but still have to play NZ, England and the two giant-killers of this tournament (Nederlands and Afghanistan). Pakistan are totally unpredictable and could use the loss agst Afghanistan to get their dander up - they're always better when the chips are down. Max would love to see Afghanistan go on with it and make the Top 4 - they've already beaten the defending champs and a previous champion nation, so no reason why they cant carry on with it. Will have to beat S Af and/or Aussie to have any show. Some fascinating match-ups looming! MM PS: And we havent mentioned the possibility of the weather affecting matches as the world turns. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Come mid Nov, it is going to be a case of serious withdrawal symptoms, with all the Spring racing finished, Rugby WC over and ICC World Cup also just finished. Another great weekend coming up with the WC final and Aus/NZ in the cricket and the Cox Plate I can't see how India can be beaten. Best batting line up, best 3 fast bowlers in world cricket and the best 2 spinners, plus home advantage, no chinks in their armor at all. Plus NZ may struggle to beat Aus, as the game is played at Dharamsala in northern India (same ground as the India/NZ match where their 3 quicks dominated the match), where the pitch is a lot greener and suited to fast bowling, and Aus have our nemesis in Starc as well as Cummins and Hazelwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Ahh, but we've got Ferguson who's quicker than them all, and bowling very well at present. Agree it will be a tough match but more pressure on them than us...they simply cannot afford to have a bad one. Here's a good summary of where we're all at, and matches to come 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 .Hesi-meister, don't get too depressed come mid-Nov...you'll just have enuf time to get over the celebrations and/or commiserations before cranking up to Xmas mate! MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Hesi said: Come mid Nov, it is going to be a case of serious withdrawal symptoms, Nah, plenty of car meets to go to and blast the Chevy around. Best time of year for petrol heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 After last night's power batting display, it is hard to see it being anything other than an India/SA final. Just a matter of who fills the other 2 semi final spots. SA scored almost 150 runs in their last 10 overs for the second time, admittedly against a weaker bowling attack. Can't recall another batsmen who hits the ball as well as Klassen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 $10 to finish top of the group looks like value for SA. It will come down to fireworks day, Nov 5 at Eden Gardens, and if SA win, they will go top as they have the far better net run rate than India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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