Hesi Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Also this forum is predominantly about racing in NZ, they are the biggest player by a long way, so anything they do has a big impact, so naturally they are going to be scrutinised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 And they clearly have the best track record of anyone buying at Karaka...if they stop buying there will be some sad and sorry vendors at the sales...just think of how many people they employ and how big their operation costs to run...I dunno why people have to knock them...they put the money and mostly all of it stays in NZ.. they mind their own business do their own thing and get plenty of people involved in racing....has to be good for the industry....doesn't it??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 I agree and had pointed that out in previous posts I also pointed out that they are a business and do it all first and foremost to make money not to benefit NZ racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, RJB said: Why only single him out...there are many big buyers in the SH why do you choose only to focus on him????Is there a reason??? Ummm...I'll speculate a couple of reasons TA are the biggest, so they 'pick themselves' by sheer scale of their 'massive operation And even if they didn't, they make so much noise they're hard to ignore. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, RJB said: And they clearly have the best track record of anyone buying at Karaka...if they stop buying there will be some sad and sorry vendors at the sales...just think of how many people they employ and how big their operation costs to run...I dunno why people have to knock them...they put the money and mostly all of it stays in NZ.. they mind their own business do their own thing and get plenty of people involved in racing....has to be good for the industry....doesn't it??? you're being very defensive, RJB... take a chill pill. TA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Also, where on earth did you get the notion, that because they are the biggest and without question do a lot of great things for the NZ industry, that they should be exempt from scrutiny Much the same as BGP, they do a lot of great things for the NZ industry, but they should still be open to scrutiny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Caller Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 You would have to agree with RJB that without TA, NZ sales would have been struggling for a number of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Midnight Caller said: You would have to agree with RJB that without TA, NZ sales would have been struggling for a number of years. Somebody would step up if its quality stock they are selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Caller Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, ngakonui grass said: Somebody would step up if its quality stock they are selling. You are probably right NG. But David has kept those other buyers honest and NZ sales % and clearance rate high for many years. I declare, I am not connected to TA in any way 😁 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 Just now, Midnight Caller said: You are probably right NG. But David has kept those other buyers honest and NZ sales % and clearance rate high for many years. I declare, I am not connected to TA in any way 😁 The underbidder comes to mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 I don't think anyone is disputing the positive aspects they bring to the NZ industry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share Posted January 21, 2023 QUESTION FOR THE MORE KNOWLEGABLE If a horse sells for 100k what money is handed over to the auctioneer if the Buyer is approached by the seller who wishes to retain a 10% shareholding or is this even possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 2 separate transactions I would have thought NG. Auctioneer takes their commission plus GST based on the sale price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Maximus said: you're being very defensive, RJB... take a chill pill. TA No need any sort of pill thanks...but thanks for the advice anyway...Just think TA gets attacked for nothing other than jealousy...JMO. And some think the sales would not miss them ..total BS how many others buy 20 plus to stay in NZ.....thats easy to answer nobody.And take out a big buyer of numbers the sale will 100% feel the affects...not that some in here would know a clue about that...again just my 2c worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 37 minutes ago, RJB said: No need any sort of pill thanks...but thanks for the advice anyway...Just think TA gets attacked for nothing other than jealousy...JMO. And some think the sales would not miss them ..total BS how many others buy 20 plus to stay in NZ.....thats easy to answer nobody.And take out a big buyer of numbers the sale will 100% feel the affects...not that some in here would know a clue about that...again just my 2c worth. and faIr enough. IMO it is the huge cash cow of Oz racing that forces the purchase prices ever upward at Karaka, making it impossible for the vast majority of Kiwis except through syndication. What TA needs is more competition, or the prices to come down a lot - which won't happen until Oz federal and state Govt stop funding their thoroughbred codes to the extent they do now. And that's unlikely becos over there, racing is in the blood, and wagering is a 'rite of passage', embedded in mainstream culture. Gambling is not viewed as a dirty, sinful behaviour to be frowned upon. MM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, RJB said: No need any sort of pill thanks...but thanks for the advice anyway...Just think TA gets attacked for nothing other than jealousy...JMO. And some think the sales would not miss them ..total BS how many others buy 20 plus to stay in NZ.....thats easy to answer nobody.And take out a big buyer of numbers the sale will 100% feel the affects...not that some in here would know a clue about that...again just my 2c worth. RJB I could also say that anyone who accuses someone else of jealously with no direct evidence is stupid. Doubt also that would add value to the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just to quote the figs for 2022 701 yearlings were sold, Te Akau bought 32 for a spend of 8.13 mil, out of a total sales spend of 74.40 mil, or 10.92% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, slam dunk said: RJB I could also say that anyone who accuses someone else of jealously with no direct evidence is stupid. Doubt also that would add value to the discussion. You are free to your opinion as I am to mine...life goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josias Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Midnight Caller said: You would have to agree with RJB that without TA, NZ sales would have been struggling for a number of years. Totally DISAGREE.All their purchases have had an underbidder only one bid lower!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 That is about as logical as you can get 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Josias said: Totally DISAGREE.All their purchases have had an underbidder only one bid lower!!! That is a fact but if TA were not as strong as they are on the ones they like then the price logically will be much lower...but hey thats logical. They make the prices as high as they are on some horses and if there is only one bidder on them with TA not around then of course competition won't be so hot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Caller Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 On 1/22/2023 at 7:31 AM, Josias said: Totally DISAGREE.All their purchases have had an underbidder only one bid lower!!! I was looking at the bigger picture J! The numbers the sales produce,and undeniably TA prop up alot of those numbers especially from Book 1.They are racing horses in NZ. Yes there is always an underbidder, TA at Karaka are like Maher, Waterhouse,Waller etc are to the Sydney and Melbourne sales, and now Maher is targeting the GC MM. they keep pushing the envelope in every way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buller Rep Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 On 1/22/2023 at 9:11 AM, RJB said: Why only single him out...there are many big buyers in the SH why do you choose only to focus on him????Is there a reason??? Probably because he’s the biggest and boldest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I note another race that has been moved to accommodate other races. The time honoured Waikato Guineas, a G2 over 2000m, is for the second year relegated to the ignominy of a mid week, industry day type meet, as opposed to taking it's place on Waikato's big day. Why? Probably to not detract attention from the Fillies Classic, which also now has a higher stake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Do you know that for a fact??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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