Hesi Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours before the Karaka Million 3 year old's go around for 1 mil, the top 2 year old from last season and this seasons 2000 Guineas winner, both G1 winners and highest rated 3 year old's around(other than Legarto) go around for $130K, if they even accept. As a race, it means nothing in establishing who the top 3 year old is so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanturk Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Hesi said: 2 hours before the Karaka Million 3 year old's go around for 1 mil, the top 2 year old from last season and this seasons 2000 Guineas winner, both G1 winners and highest rated 3 year old's around(other than Legarto) go around for $130K, if they even accept. As a race, it means nothing in establishing who the top 3 year old is so far. Why? Are they eligible for the karaka million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, vanturk said: Why? Are they eligible for the karaka million? No they are not, that is the absurdity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanturk Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 Correct Will post later on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 Those 2 races for a mil, are private marketing initiatives, held under the auspices of NZ Racing, by NZB, to entice people to their yearling sale. That's fine But racing at that level and age group should be about the best horses competing to find which are the top horses. As it turns out, 2 hours earlier, we have the equal rated top 3 year old, Pier and the next top rated 3 year old Maven Belle, both G1 winners,not allowed the opportunity. That in itself is an absurd situation Add to that, that NZB have hijacked the racing calendar for their own purposes, with Trentham having to change their scheduling so NZB can race on a Saturday Add further, that the top 5 finishers in the Karaka Million, will unlikely contest the Levin Classic, so once again, an iconic race, that was once one of the benchmarks for early/mid season 3 year olds, gets it in the neck again, all to accommodate NZB. So in effect a race that all cannot enter, is cannibalising a race that is open to all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanturk Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Probably the best 3 yr old isn't there tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, vanturk said: Probably the best 3 yr old isn't there tho? Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanturk Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Sharp n smart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 Apologies, missed that one, probably because it has been racing in Aus. Has a rating well above the rest of 104. Seems to be taking a different tack to the other 3 year olds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Saturdays Million dollar races should be labelled Clayton Races. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Our Maizcay Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 call it what you like, that KM 3yo race is still an outstanding field, I can't wait to watch it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Are there any KM 3YO eligible horses that have opted to run in the 1200m G3 earlier race rather than the 1600m KM race? I haven't done a check yet but was wondering if anyone had the up front knowledge to be able to say. If you don't fancy your chances at the longer distance, and your horse has a bit of speed and you want to rack up a G3 I think it would be logical to have a go at the shorter distance, even if it is against Pier and Maven Belle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 Mascarinto and Grace'N'Grey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Grace'N'Grey by Spirit of Boom out of a Redoute's mare whose line goes back to Assertive Lass and Zeditave nice 🙂 .. good decision and if she strikes a good or even soft track go her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) What is absurd is that the Pattern has been disrupted for the glitz of a sales race or races. The same thing ( in principle ) happened years ago when the Bayer Classic arrived on the scene very close to the Guineas races. It affected participation as connections weighed up the option of a long trip away ( with the attendant issues of the heat stress on young horses ) against a much less demanding one. Edited January 18, 2023 by Freda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Unless i'm blind i think that there is only 1 horse from outside the Waikato/Auck area in the 1 million dollar races, Where are the Aus horses.bearing in mind that this concept was sold as a real game changer for Aus participation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Freda said: What is absurd is that the Pattern has been disrupted for the glitz of a sales race or races. The same thing ( in principle ) happened years ago when the Bayer Classic arrived on the scene very close to the Guineas races. It affected participation as connections weighed up the option of a long trip away ( with the attendant issues of the heat stress on young horses ) against a much less demanding one. Thanks, I never realised that it impacted on the 2 Guineas races in such a way, when first started. I can recall it was the other way around later on, when they boosted the stake in the 2000 Guineas to 2 mil and stuffed the Bayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 hours ago, ngakonui grass said: Unless i'm blind i think that there is only 1 horse from outside the Waikato/Auck area in the 1 million dollar races, Where are the Aus horses.bearing in mind that this concept was sold as a real game changer for Aus participation. I think it's turning into the opposite, with some of the bigger 2YO, but mostly 3YO races being held in Australia in February and March, I think these races are more of a guide as to which youngsters will make the trip across the ditch from here and also for some if they do well it could be an entry into some of those races. Having the races now is also more of a marketing and promo for the upcoming Karaka sales too it seems both for the sires and also potential owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Maximus said: Rogie will be eyeing the Oz autumn carnival riches followed by the Caulfield Cup/Cox Plate/Melbourne Cup in the Spring...'twouldnt surprise Max if he lined the horse up in all three. LOL As a complete aside I see there are big talks going on now to reorganise the Spring Carnival, and word is the Cox Plate may get moved to late November .. Do they have that fella from Ellerslie consulting. You know the one that stuffed a perfectly good carnival over Boxing Day/New year and gave us '2 carnivals' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 Once again they are trying to fuck Trentham. They could make it $300K, and that would really piss off Wellington, they seem to be a law unto themselves Why have a big stayers race the week before the Wellington Cup. Dionysus was a nom, but never going to accept as he will be in the Wellington Cup. Piss poor field for that Karaka Cup 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 A 2200m race, the Karaka Cup, is now a stayers' race? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 23 hours ago, Hesi said: Do they have that fella from Ellerslie consulting. You know the one that stuffed a perfectly good carnival over Boxing Day/New year and gave us '2 carnivals' The 2 carnivals where neither work and have low attendance and turnover .... right move that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 25, 2023 Author Share Posted January 25, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 2:12 PM, Hesi said: Those 2 races for a mil, are private marketing initiatives, held under the auspices of NZ Racing, by NZB, to entice people to their yearling sale. That's fine But racing at that level and age group should be about the best horses competing to find which are the top horses. As it turns out, 2 hours earlier, we have the equal rated top 3 year old, Pier and the next top rated 3 year old Maven Belle, both G1 winners,not allowed the opportunity. That in itself is an absurd situation Add to that, that NZB have hijacked the racing calendar for their own purposes, with Trentham having to change their scheduling so NZB can race on a Saturday Add further, that the top 5 finishers in the Karaka Million, will unlikely contest the Levin Classic, so once again, an iconic race, that was once one of the benchmarks for early/mid season 3 year olds, gets it in the neck again, all to accommodate NZB. So in effect a race that all cannot enter, is cannibalising a race that is open to all Prowess, Wild Night, Desert Lightning, Legarto and Sacred Satono Let's see how it stacks up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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