mardigras Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Am I missing something? I read this. "Avondale Cup? Is the trainer a complete retard? There are lots of maidens rated higher than this horse and it should not even be allowed in the race where it could endanger other horses and riders." Is this horse incapable of running straight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForValue Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, mardigras said: Am I missing something? I read this. "Avondale Cup? Is the trainer a complete retard? There are lots of maidens rated higher than this horse and it should not even be allowed in the race where it could endanger other horses and riders." Is this horse incapable of running straight? often slow away or placed awkwardly in race. Perhaps needs blinkers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, LookingForValue said: often slow away or placed awkwardly in race. Perhaps needs blinkers? I guess I'm interesting in understanding why it would be a danger to other horses in this race, but not in other races? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForValue Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, mardigras said: I guess I'm interesting in understanding why it would be a danger to other horses in this race, but not in other races? quite right with your thinking. It seems that whoever wrote that deems it OK to interfere or possibly cause injury to 'lesser horses' but a group race is more sacrosanct. "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others". I'm sure owners would think otherwise. I think the writer is probably making an assley of themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I think the writer is expressing his disgust that the horse is, seemingly, of little talent, and is being asked to step up [ yet again ] in a race that it apparently has no chance whatsoever in. The 'safety' aspect is the strong likelihood that the animal will stop so quickly that it will cart others back through the field and may cause interference in so doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Freda said: I think the writer is expressing his disgust that the horse is, seemingly, of little talent, and is being asked to step up [ yet again ] in a race that it apparently has no chance whatsoever in. The 'safety' aspect is the strong likelihood that the animal will stop so quickly that it will cart others back through the field and may cause interference in so doing. I don't think the horse is that slow. Ran pretty decent over 2400m at Pukekohe a few starts back. I don't expect they will run too quick for him even if highly unlikely to win. I've rated horses with less chance. Wouldn't he stop quickly in a rating 72? If he's that bad, the writer could just simply put up every cent they have on betfair that the horse won't win. 0.4% interest for 3 minutes work. Edited February 14, 2020 by mardigras 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 Didn't run last, so certainly didn't run tailed off last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Ironically he beat a horse I backed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Also finished 0.7 lengths behind the horse that was 2nd in the Wellington Cup. I have no idea what that tells us about the Wellington Cup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 13 hours ago, pete said: Also finished 0.7 lengths behind the horse that was 2nd in the Wellington Cup. I have no idea what that tells us about the Wellington Cup. He certainly didn't stop. He was as close to the leader at the finish line as he was at the 1000m. Was just pretty much one-paced. One race doesn't tell you much, but the horse has won races so has some ability. Not necessarily up to the level but I don't think the horse is a general danger to others from watching that run. If it meets the terms/conditions of the race, I'm not sure why they would want to prevent it from running. If you listen to some on the other site, a few years back they would have only had a field of 3 in the karaka million 2yo race. That's how many horses one of them stated had any chance so therefore why allow the rest to start if they're that uncompetitive/out of form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Might need another mile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, curious said: Might need another mile? How about 1/2 a mile - Auckland Cup?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, mardigras said: He certainly didn't stop. He was as close to the leader at the finish line as he was at the 1000m. Was just pretty much one-paced. One race doesn't tell you much, but the horse has won races so has some ability. Not necessarily up to the level but I don't think the horse is a general danger to others from watching that run. If it meets the terms/conditions of the race, I'm not sure why they would want to prevent it from running. If you listen to some on the other site, a few years back they would have only had a field of 3 in the karaka million 2yo race. That's how many horses one of them stated had any chance so therefore why allow the rest to start if they're that uncompetitive/out of form. One could find a parallel in the Jewels for Harness age group. A great no of them have absolutely no hope and do get in the way as we have experienced. But who am I to take away the experience of having a horse run in such a prestigious race ,and being on course to see the sparkle in the eyes of owners hoping for a miracle is heart warming. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, mardigras said: How about 1/2 a mile - Auckland Cup?? A 1 1/2 mile maiden would possibly work but they are hard to find here. Missed the kick and finished on well that trip in an R82 last time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, Globederby19 said: One could find a parallel in the Jewels for Harness age group. A great no of them have absolutely no hope and do get in the way as we have experienced. But who am I to take away the experience of having a horse run in such a prestigious race ,and being on course to see the sparkle in the eyes of owners hoping for a miracle is heart warming. True, but happens in most races and on the day, many horses just get in the way. This one didn't as we was last/second last nearly all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Isn't the issue,why do the rules and conditions of the race, allow a R57 horse to be nominated for an open class race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hesi said: Isn't the issue,why do the rules and conditions of the race, allow a R57 horse to be nominated Why shouldn't they? He's not preventing any higher rated horses from starting. I note that he ran as good or better last 600 than almost half the field. If there's an issue for me it's why are there no opportunities here for maiden stayers in their own class? Edited February 15, 2020 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, curious said: Why shouldn't they? He's not preventing any higher rated horses from starting. I note that he ran as good or better last 600 than almost half the field. If there's an issue for me it's why are there no opportunities here for maiden stayers in their own class? Yes, little opportunity for stayers of any grade.....and why do we get sucked into the notion that 1800 - 2000m constitutes a 'staying' 'test ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, Freda said: Yes, little opportunity for stayers of any grade.....and why do we get sucked into the notion that 1800 - 2000m constitutes a 'staying' 'test ? Good point. I've often heard people say that here. Horses like this that are probably blessed with a higer percentage of slow twitch muscle fibres than their sprinter miler colleagues but still love to race as he appears to and tried right to the line with no more than a few slaps on the neck would be an asset and create some interesting wagering events which we surely need. At the moment they are sports horses or dog tucker. Shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 Didn't appear to be that poor a horse. Ran 4th beaten 3.1L in a R65. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/14/2020 at 5:52 PM, mardigras said: Didn't appear to be that poor a horse. Ran 4th beaten 3.1L in a R65. Gee - this horse is a supposed danger because it's so slow. What do we do with the 8 horses it beat after finishing second beaten a neck today. Throw them all out? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 10 hours ago, mardigras said: Gee - this horse is a supposed danger because it's so slow. What do we do with the 8 horses it beat after finishing second beaten a neck today. Throw them all out? Probably have to throw out the winner too. It's almost as slow, so only slightly less dangerous. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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