Happy Sunrise Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 If you don't mind Karrots, I will start it for you. I can't remember the last time this occurred but it appears there is a race to just get in the field. Triple Eight is not coming I believe (?) Amazing Dream and Burnham Boy likewise. Anyone know anything about Need You Now but appears to not be a contender. So Kango, Steel the Show, Matt Damon and Cranbourne (after his win today) will get in? Best performances of the weekend away from the winners go to Kango and Bad to the Bone. The Ashburton Flying Stakes will be worth a watch and the Kaikoura Cup at Addington is going to be the real NZ Cup trial so will be fascinating. While the 2 big guns of SCA and SA appear above the others it seems to me they won't have it their own way in a standing start in a big competitive field. Could be the year of the upset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 39 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: While the 2 big guns of SCA and SA appear above the others it seems to me they won't have it their own way in a standing start in a big competitive field. Could be the year of the upset. You could be right Happy, and it may be the year of the upset, but here is my first four guess; 1st: Self Assured 2nd: South Coast Arden 3rd: Copy That 4th: Daylight Those three should honestly gap the rest, even if they were a bit slow away (and I'm assuming Amazing Dream is staying put in Australia). To me there is very little depth there. I do have this awful feeling in my waters, that there will be a horse (or 5) that shouldn't really be there, and they will bugger it up for a more favoured runner. It's due to happen again in a Cup. It won't happen in my lifetime, but I do really wish that they had only the best of the best start in the Cup, and not just have the also rans entered to make up the numbers to 15. To be fair however, I guess if you owned a horse, and it was the 15th best horse to qualify, or gain an entry to start in the big race, then who am I to dash one's lifelong dream to have a runner in it. Just my opinion anyway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 20 hours ago, Rusty said: To be fair however, I guess if you owned a horse, and it was the 15th best horse to qualify, or gain an entry to start in the big race, then who am I to dash one's lifelong dream to have a runner in it. Just my opinion anyway. Same happens in the Jewels. Most are there to make up numbers, and the odd upset does happen, but same sentiment . The buzz to have a horse running in it is a Harness owners dream regardless of the result. I think of the owners of little Borana in 1985, dreams can come to fruition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 Amazing Dream and Burnham Boy are officially withdrawn. 20 hours ago, Rusty said: To me there is very little depth there. Compared to recent years? I would have Classie Brigade as the outsider of the field so can't be too bad 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 Stylish Memphis and Plutonium Lady gone too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Blue Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 20 hours ago, Rusty said: 1st: Self Assured With the handicaps removed from the Cup allowing Monkey King and Lazarus and Terror to love to win more than one over past 10 -11 years , can't see how they can beat this horse ''Self Assured' Off the Front mark, again. If had 10m behind handicap, would of made it interesting. Self Assured blazing to victory in 3.55 by some lengths last Cup last year . Only a very few can ever go that fast. ......Adore Me , The Fixer and Lazarus did in past few years. No-one else can go sub 3.55 to beat him this year? , that is well 'Lazarus-like' speed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Lightning Blue said: can't see how they can beat this horse ''Self Assured' Off He will be made to 'stand' this year. Give him a bad draw and he is no good thing. He swerved in badly in the Canterbury Classie, if he does that with a second row behind him he will get cleaned up. Last year's debacle will not be allowed to happen again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 The latest rankings. Who will drive the northerners? the amateurs might need to step up, that will make for a truly run race 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Bad To The Bone is looking better by the minute, he just comes across as a gutsy type more likely to be fighting it out at the end, and as you said Happy, the stand start can trip the best up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/10/2021 at 8:36 PM, Rusty said: You could be right Happy, and it may be the year of the upset, but here is my first four guess; 1st: Self Assured 2nd: South Coast Arden 3rd: Copy That 4th: Daylight Those three should honestly gap the rest, even if they were a bit slow away (and I'm assuming Amazing Dream is staying put in Australia). To me there is very little depth there. I do have this awful feeling in my waters, that there will be a horse (or 5) that shouldn't really be there, and they will bugger it up for a more favoured runner. It's due to happen again in a Cup. It won't happen in my lifetime, but I do really wish that they had only the best of the best start in the Cup, and not just have the also rans entered to make up the numbers to 15. To be fair however, I guess if you owned a horse, and it was the 15th best horse to qualify, or gain an entry to start in the big race, then who am I to dash one's lifelong dream to have a runner in it. Just my opinion anyway. Tend to agree with your summation Rusty, you've summed it up perfectly, the only fly in the ointment might be the new standing start protocols which could affect Self Assured the most Perhaps I would have Bad To The Bone as an honest and deserving 4th pick, then daylight 5th Everyone needs a longshot to make a First 4, I'll go Christianshavtime for my longshot Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest john Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I’m on Di caprio, as a roughy. Hj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 Belle of Montana out of race now. Triple Eight will be too. Dunn's could have 4. Bring on the team driving 😂 The depth of the field is being tested now. Rusty might be right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Honest john said: I’m on Di caprio, as a roughy. Hj Nice horse. But unfortunately been withdrawn from the Cup this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said: The depth of the field is being tested now. Rusty might be right... Like I said to someone on here recently, even a broken clock is correct twice a day! All this kerfuffle over rankings etc does me head in. Like most, not every single year, but most years, any connections of a horse that wants to start in the Cup, will get a start in the Cup. It's not like it was back in the good old days when horses had to earn their way into Open (Cup) Class. The depth just isn't there these days, due to a few different reasons, but the export market is obviously a contributing factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Rusty said: Nice horse. But unfortunately been withdrawn from the Cup this year. Why is he out? Oscar out of Dominion too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 39 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Oscar out of Dominion too. One less to worry about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Why is he out? I'm not 100% certain for the reason, sorry Happy. If I get confirmation will keep you posted, but he's definitely been withdrawn, and now subsequently out of the betting markets for the Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rusty said: I'm not 100% certain for the reason, sorry Happy. If I get confirmation will keep you posted, but he's definitely been withdrawn, and now subsequently out of the betting markets for the Cup. All Stars running scared? 🤣 I would have said Cullen racing stables but I had a check to see if there was any news on its website / facebook page but they no longer exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Right, I think I may have found one here. The almost forgotten horse (and one of my old favourites). U May Cullect. Current odds to win the Cup: $201 Top 3: $34 Top 4: $21 He's had his issues, they are well documented. He will obviously need to perform well this week, and also at Ashburton, but IF (it's a big IF), he makes it to the start for the Cup, he could give them a fright. Am I prepared to take the $200's on offer to find out? Well one doesn't have to put much on, when they're paying that much. Good luck to connections. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Nice new profile pic Happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rusty said: Nice new profile pic Happy. Spicing it up a bit. Couldn't find one of Happy Sunrise which is a shame as he was a looker. Can you guess who it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I could only guess... Sundon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I'll have a guess... Sundon ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 hahah that's so funny 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Great minds think alike? Sundon was a hell of a good looking horse, and I'm starting to think it may not be him, as the pic just doesn't look quite right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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