The Revolt Begins - Cambridge TC

[karrotsishere]

Ps anyone know? Any truth in rumour Hall Of Fame Museum packing up & going to Cambridge? 

[Rusty]

4 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

Ps anyone know? Any truth in rumour Hall Of Fame Museum packing up & going to Cambridge? 

That rumour is picking up momentum. 

I hope it's true. 

[Double R]

10 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

Ps anyone know? Any truth in rumour Hall Of Fame Museum packing up & going to Cambridge? 

Hi Karrots.

I can confirm that the Hall of Fame is moving to Cambridge after an amicable agreement was reached by both parties.

Cheers.

Robert.

[karrotsishere]

On 3/2/2023 at 6:03 AM, Double R said:

Hi Karrots.

I can confirm that the Hall of Fame is moving to Cambridge after an amicable agreement was reached by both parties.

Cheers.

Robert.

Thanks for that confirmation DR. Just stored at this stage, is that correct? With the hope they can in time get a sponsor or something to build renovate an area? 

Back to topic, how did those workshops go? Anyone go? From memory werent they around now? 

Edited March 2, 2023 by karrotsishere

[Double R]

23 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

Thanks for that confirmation DR. Just stored at this stage, is that correct? With the hope they can in time get a sponsor or something to build renovate an area? 

Back to topic, how did those workshops go? Anyone go? From memory werent they around now? 

Correct about storage in the foreseeable future Karrots. At least it is going to preserved for the future history of Harness Racing.

[Globederby19]

2 hours ago, Double R said:

Correct about storage in the foreseeable future Karrots. At least it is going to preserved for the future history of Harness Racing.

Absolutely disgraceful situation. I do hope they find a way of rehousing it in an appropriate location, and reasonably quickly as storing that amount of historic memorabilia can lead to damage from dampness and other elements. It really saddens me to be honest, and angry at the same time. Keep me posted Robert.👍

 

[Lightning Blue]

3 hours ago, Globederby19 said:

Absolutely disgraceful situation. I do hope they find a way of rehousing it in an appropriate location, and reasonably quickly as storing that amount of historic memorabilia can lead to damage from dampness and other elements. It really saddens me to be honest, and angry at the same time. Keep me posted Robert.👍

 

Must be something hard in Nz about 'finding a building' to put stuff in. The racing club has been packed in boxes /storage for many years so that looks like the 'Fate' for any harness racing museum as well.

You can SCRATCH the last line of this article out ,it would seem. (there goes the positive achievement line)

In 2006 The NZ Herald reported that a new $5 million museum to house the collection was to be established.

It has taken 166 years to honour the thoroughbred in New Zealand, but we are almost there.

Wendy Pye, chairman of the New Zealand Champions Racing Museum Charitable Trust, this week unveiled the design of the proposed museum, to be built at Ellerslie.

The first thoroughbred landed in New Zealand in 1840 and the history of the industry that now adds about $1 billion to the gross national product each year will be highlighted in the museum, which is due to open in 2008.

Funding of about $400,000 has already been received.

Another $4 million is being sought to complete the project. Construction is expected to start Project support has been provided by New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing and the New Zealand Thoroughbred Breeders Association.

A detailed model places the building within its setting, to the right of the main racecourse entrance, overlooking the Lawn Gardens and facing the Ellerslie Convention Centre.

"The trust's vision for the museum is about celebrating the extraordinary history of thoroughbred racing in New Zealand," Mrs Pye said.

"A national racing museum will allow us to share treasures and stories that will otherwise be lost or forgotten.

"We also aim to use that rich heritage to create a world-class interactive experience for local and international visitors, a centre for equine research and education, and a welcoming gateway for participation in every part of the thoroughbred industry."

Mrs Pye said the design of the museum exterior included elements of traditional stables but the interior would be that of a modern, interactive museum.

The main exhibition area on the ground floor would include many elements of the racecourse experience.

First floor displays would include a virtual race ride on an electronic horse, an equine science display, racing colours design and a permanent home for the recently established New Zealand Racing Hall of Fame.

Also included in the complex would be a cafe, research area and a movie and lecture theatre.

New Zealand's climate and environment proved to be perfect for breeding horses, with studs such as Trelawney and Cambridge adding to a national roll of honour that includes 41 Melbourne Cups.

Kiwi-bred champions Carbine and Phar Lap established a tradition of international excellence maintained into the modern era by the likes of Bonecrusher, Horlicks, Octagonal, Might And Power, Sunline and Starcraft.

Harness racing in New Zealand has a world class museum at Auckland's Alexandra Park.

 

[karrotsishere]

Hello darlings,

Op Im a day early, Well must not be long now. Will expert Forbs & expert Davis end up with egg on face ... ? 

On 3/4/2023 at 8:04 AM, Double R said:

Correct about storage in the foreseeable future Karrots. At least it is going to preserved for the future history of Harness Racing.

 

IMO its def the best move. 

Edited August 18, 2023 by karrotsishere

[karrotsishere]

On 3/4/2023 at 4:37 PM, karrotsishere said:

 IMO its def the best move. All roads are pointing to ATC being shut in 2 years.

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by karrotsishere

[karrotsishere]

On 3/4/2023 at 5:51 PM, karrotsishere said:

Heard ATC plan on leasing out old (Hall of Fame) building, plus they plan on leasing out their trainers/owners/members area too. No word on where the owners & their members will go. 

A heads up this has been made public now by B Litcher. Its the Top of the Park room ATC Board are proposing to move owners & members too. As well as confirmation Hall of Fame is moving to Cambridge. 

My question with moving to Top of Park room would be, are there no visitors anymore that go to Top of Park room? Like isnt that the place that they charge out at premium prices on race nite for? Sounds like mustnt be getting much traction.

[karrotsishere]

How fun. Just seeing now Cambridge have an Stallions nite on this Fri hehehoho. Looks like a sort of male dance show, borderline strip show but not naked.

How good & outside the square thinking are they. Well done again to them. Getting the young ones and ladies to the club & track. Smart.

[Globederby19]

2 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

How good & outside the square thinking are they.

What a pity though, that these sort of entertainments are needed to get young ones to turn up to a Trotting meet. Good on them though, but I hope it shows up on oncourse turnover. 

[karrotsishere]

1 hour ago, Globederby19 said:

What a pity though, that these sort of entertainments are needed to get young ones to turn up to a Trotting meet. Good on them though, but I hope it shows up on oncourse turnover. 

Dont believe its a race nite. Looks like its Fri 16th June. The Cambridge Facebook page got 75 comments on status about it. Alot of engagement. 

In anycase I disagree, but we went down that track re the race & Mitch James. Agreed to disagree 😀

I think think outside the square. Get young people to know where the track is, what goes on there, have a drink & a bet & a fun nite with entertainment. 

Totally boring otherwise. I dont watch, follow or bet anymore. And was a big fan & follower for a couple years. Been once in North America. Other than that dis-interested. And pop in here. 

The number of race fans is going down & carrying on as status quo simply will see the end of Harness in NZ. I think its too late now anyway for it unfortuently. End of nxt year, nowhere for those at Puke to train. Lincoln Farms be close to closing up. Drivers/trainers leaving North, horse numbers. Deep South also has probs numbers & overall. Maybe there might be a couple of meeting in South a week & the odd grass track in summer. Til that then disappears too.

Edited June 15, 2023 by karrotsishere

[Globederby19]

40 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

In anycase I disagree, but we went down that track re the race & Mitch James. Agreed to disagree

I was only pointing out that it takes this type of hype to attract people to a track. Most won't know what end of a horse to feed a carrot to. (pardon the pun) Karrots. The discretionary dollar is stretched to the limit these days for the young ,and I think a night at the Trots is down the list a bit for something to do. It's a dying sport for most, and only followed by the die hards , those involved in the industry, generational interest etc. Sad as I have followed Harness since the mid 60,s. I shall hold onto the memory's, as I am sure many will. 

[Happy Sunrise]

7 minutes ago, Globederby19 said:

and I think a night at the Trots is down the list a bit for something to do

I have always said the grass trots with its social aspect with family and friends is the key to maintaining interest in harness racing because it is generally free to go and a relaxing day out eg Methven or the Mot. If you can couple that with big syndicates requiring little outlay you might end up with generational interest and bigger ownership in the future.

10 minutes ago, Globederby19 said:

die hards

Dwindling fast in my circle as they have had enough of the crap that goes on with harness racing. There is way too much drama in general society these days to be bothered with more crap in what is essentially a social interest for most.

 

[Globederby19]

51 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said:

Dwindling fast in my circle as they have had enough of the crap that goes on with harness racing.

Doesn't leave much does it Happy. 

[karrotsishere]

16 hours ago, Globederby19 said:

I was only pointing out that it takes this type of hype to attract people to a track. Most won't know what end of a horse to feed a carrot to. (pardon the pun) Karrots. The discretionary dollar is stretched to the limit these days for the young ,and I think a night at the Trots is down the list a bit for something to do. It's a dying sport for most, and only followed by the die hards , those involved in the industry, generational interest etc. Sad as I have followed Harness since the mid 60,s. I shall hold onto the memory's, as I am sure many will. 

Oh yip gotcha. Right on. 

[Double R]

On 6/15/2023 at 8:51 PM, Globederby19 said:

I was only pointing out that it takes this type of hype to attract people to a track. Most won't know what end of a horse to feed a carrot to. (pardon the pun) Karrots. The discretionary dollar is stretched to the limit these days for the young ,and I think a night at the Trots is down the list a bit for something to do. It's a dying sport for most, and only followed by the die hards , those involved in the industry, generational interest etc. Sad as I have followed Harness since the mid 60,s. I shall hold onto the memory's, as I am sure many will. 

Hi Rees.

It is great to be able to hold onto memories, and they are something that can never be taken away from us.

Racing has been in the forefront of entertainment for much of the last 120 years, in N.Z. and gradually life, and society, has developed other forms of engagement and  personal interests now, and racing is just one of the options that is not near the top of the list.

For me, I will never lose my interest, and in fact, there is no better time to be an owner, as the horse numbers being bred is down, so no trouble in getting starts at the races, stake money has risen, so a little more to potentially cover expenses, and from a personal point of view, sharing with people the excitement of racing a horse.

Just my thoughts, and support for an activity that has been part of me for much of my life.

[Happy Sunrise]

On 6/15/2023 at 9:57 PM, Globederby19 said:

Doesn't leave much does it Happy. 

Not really.

Any organisation or whatever it may be, can go through troubled times or restructuring, but harness seems to be in a phase of perpetually being in a state of chaos.

1 hour ago, Double R said:

For me, I will never lose my interest, and in fact, there is no better time to be an owner, as the horse numbers being bred is down, so no trouble in getting starts at the races, stake money has risen, so a little more to potentially cover expenses, and from a personal point of view, sharing with people the excitement of racing a horse.

Nice.

[Addington]

On 6/17/2023 at 7:33 AM, Double R said:

For me, I will never lose my interest, and in fact, there is no better time to be an owner, as the horse numbers being bred is down, so no trouble in getting starts at the races, stake money has risen, so a little more to potentially cover expenses,

Who remembers races with brackets- those were the days Robert

[Turny]

Ces Donald and RP Nyan ... as a school kid got oodles. Beautiful

[Globederby19]

1 hour ago, Addington said:

Who remembers races with brackets- those were the days Robert

Yep , nights at Hutt Park, when half the field was bracketed and you still got a decent divvie. The days when you knew who was "bent" so punted accordingly. .Scotch Tar winning from 100 mtrs behind, Young Quinn at his best.  A couple of times to Melbourne Showgrounds to watch the demolition derbys, bloody dangerous track. And the Magnum Opus for me, the 1973 Inters at Harold Park as a 20 yr old, with every night packed to the rafters. Never to be repeated. Good days .

[Double R]

1 hour ago, Addington said:

Who remembers races with brackets- those were the days Robert

Yes Addie.

I will start the ball rolling.

Johnny Gee, Tony Bear.

Stylish Major, Le Chant.

Marius, Black Frost.

Manaroa, Manawaru, Royal Ascot.

King Hal, Dandy Briar.

Arapaho, Vanadium, Speedy Guest.

[Lightning Blue]

53 minutes ago, Double R said:

Yes Addie.

I will start the ball rolling.

Johnny Gee, Tony Bear.

Stylish Major, Le Chant.

Marius, Black Frost.

Manaroa, Manawaru, Royal Ascot.

King Hal, Dandy Briar.

Arapaho, Vanadium, Speedy Guest.

Can beat all of those Robert.

My fellow Tassie mate Cecil Devine winning 3 NZ Cups with False Step. Everyone of those 'Bracketed' with his stablemate Thunder . (also a prior Nz Cup winner for Cecil 2 years earlier) The late great Derek Jones actually driving Thunder for Cecil in the 1960 'Cup bracket' with False Step. 

Ironically the year before False Step won those 3 Cups he was trained by Jack Litten when racing in the Nz Cup (before being transferred to Cecil) AND SO was 'Bracketed' with the immortal Caduceus for the 1957 Cup. what a champion bracket !

So there you have it !!! with 3 of the Best horses ever to race in Nz being 'Bracketed' for the BIG Race. you can't get any better than that.

[Double R]

8 hours ago, Lightning Blue said:

Can beat all of those Robert.

My fellow Tassie mate Cecil Devine winning 3 NZ Cups with False Step. Everyone of those 'Bracketed' with his stablemate Thunder . (also a prior Nz Cup winner for Cecil 2 years earlier) The late great Derek Jones actually driving Thunder for Cecil in the 1960 'Cup bracket' with False Step. 

Ironically the year before False Step won those 3 Cups he was trained by Jack Litten when racing in the Nz Cup (before being transferred to Cecil) AND SO was 'Bracketed' with the immortal Caduceus for the 1957 Cup. what a champion bracket !

So there you have it !!! with 3 of the Best horses ever to race in Nz being 'Bracketed' for the BIG Race. you can't get any better than that.

Agree LB.

Would Massacre have been bracketed with them at some stage, or was he after them?