Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 A slip like that would have and has caused the abandonment of almost every meeting in NZ in recent times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Yeah I think he's stretching it a bit with that statement. I do think though that the fact the jockeys chose to race should be noted. I really can't see the likes of James McDonald and Blake Shinn allowing themselves to be compelled to race if they thought they were in danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, pete said: Yeah I think he's stretching it a bit with that statement. I do think though that the fact the jockeys chose to race should be noted. I really can't see the likes of James McDonald and Blake Shinn allowing themselves to be compelled to race if they thought they were in danger. Some people can be very persuasive with their narrative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, Hesi said: Some people can be very persuasive with their narrative Hmm not sure I totally buy that. I guess we'll never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 I note also, that NZB seem to be having a big say in how NZ racing is programmed. We have already covered the KM and the new races next Summer, but I note, Anniversary weekend in Auckland, and no races, I presume because of the sales. Not sure why everything has to stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, pete said: Hmm not sure I totally buy that. I guess we'll never know. Probably the same reason we have no racing media coverage in NZ that will take on the issues. They all fall into line with their hyperbole, wo be tied anyone that swims against the tide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, Hesi said: Probably the same reason we have no racing media coverage in NZ that will take on the issues. They all fall into line with their hyperbole, wo be tied anyone that swims against the tide True but we're talking James McDonald here. You would think he would be aware of the consequences of a serious injury to his stellar career. I can see how some of the local lesser lights could easily be persuaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, pete said: True but we're talking James McDonald here. You would think he would be aware of the consequences of a serious injury to his stellar career. I can see how some of the local lesser lights could easily be persuaded. Just remember of course that James McDonald is not lily white, with an 18 month suspension for betting on a horse he was riding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 55 minutes ago, Hesi said: He is from a well known racing family, Paul(?) Gestro. The Torch is well known as a Gestro, so not divulging any confidences He makes an interesting point, that the TAB had already paid out on Legarto. I don't know all the detail. I wonder if BGP asked the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 36 minutes ago, Hesi said: Just remember of course that James McDonald is not lily white, with an 18 month suspension for betting on a horse he was riding Not really pertinent to this discussion Hesi. I'm talking about self preservation here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 45 minutes ago, Hesi said: He makes an interesting point, that the TAB had already paid out on Legarto. I don't know all the detail. I wonder if BGP asked the question. True but very unlikely TAB would pay out on it in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 Would have been a great PR exercise if they had decided to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 19 minutes ago, Hesi said: Would have been a great PR exercise if they had decided to Futures bets only. That makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 Those suggesting the cost of watering may have contributed to this, might want to have a look at the large pond they have built a Ellerslie, as a water reservoir, to collect rain fall/storm water. It's not a large water jump lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 I'm not sure why you bother, he's an expert on everything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 Ellerslie probably even used water engineers to do the calculations 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 25 minutes ago, Hesi said: I'm not sure why you bother, he's an expert on everything I went and had a read. He is certainly 'involved' in every thread. So nothing has changed there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/29/2024 at 12:50 PM, Hesi said: Probably the same reason we have no racing media coverage in NZ that will take on the issues. They all fall into line with their hyperbole, wo be tied anyone that swims against the tide Say what? Who is this Wo...? Is it Mr Wo, the almost completely unknown Chinese thoroughbred tycoon? Did you mean 'woe betide'? LOL MM PS: Elliot was not caught napping on Legarto. Desert Lightning was just too good on that (shifty) track on the day. That meeting was very fortunate indeed not be abandoned - remember both Hastings and Trentham had been canned in the two days immediately prior for safety reasons - and the 'powers that be' didnt have to tell the jocks anything...they knew they were racing for big big dosh in NZ terms and cancellation halfway through would've had enormous consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 The slip by Tevere in R3 was minimal, which probably saved the meeting. Had it been of the degree that Pendragon slipped in R6, then the meeting would have been abandoned, in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 My reaction was when watching the last 3 races was ….. for gods sake just get around without a fall ….. and thankfully they did Bullet dodged but hold the view the meeting should have been called off, it wasn’t for reasons previously recorded 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Our Maizcay Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2024 at 1:17 PM, Hesi said: He makes an interesting point, that the TAB had already paid out on Legarto. I don't know all the detail. I wonder if BGP asked the question. what question would BGP ask? “we see you paid out during the week on earlier bets placed on Legarto so if we place a bet on Legarto today will you guarantee us a 30% return?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 8 minutes ago, Our Maizcay said: what question would BGP ask? “we see you paid out during the week on earlier bets placed on Legarto so if we place a bet on Legarto today will you guarantee us a 30% return?” yes, only for futures market. I expect they had very little activity on the futures market - not sure what odds were offered on the horse in the futures market, but if they were low like the raceday market, not likely costing them long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Watch the beaten TA runners from the KM night go on to win big on a decent racing surface. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, mardigras said: yes, only for futures market. I expect they had very little activity on the futures market - not sure what odds were offered on the horse in the futures market, but if they were low like the raceday market, not likely costing them long term. Probably, as you suggest, where they are not unduly exposed anyway and they rate the chance of the horse winning close to 100%. So, the promotional value exceeds the risk and it encourages earlier turnover of that money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Our Maizcay said: what question would BGP ask? “we see you paid out during the week on earlier bets placed on Legarto so if we place a bet on Legarto today will you guarantee us a 30% return?” You considered Legarto a past the post proposition to the extent you paid out before the race. If we take a multi, Legarto to win/Orchestral to win, will you apply the same logic, so that we already have the first leg of our multi in, at whatever the price was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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