Hesi Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, mardigras said: I understand that some other Strathayr tracks have had difficulty with grass not going deep into the soil - who knows whether the Strathayr system is part of the problem there. Kensington is one of those from memory with such issues. So they ripped it up. They would have had all the info they needed to determine when the track was supposedly suitable to race on. Suggesting now that they raced on it too soon doesn't gel with me. if that is the case, then surely they will be some time before racing there again - due to the damage done from the last two meetings and awaiting the grass to root deeper. As you say, the hype around this meeting and the track has been huge. Any suggestion by people like the track manager that the track needed more time, would be unacceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Our Maizcay Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 13 hours ago, Hesi said: How many on this site would go along, I would suggest, countable on the fingers of one hand. is that your barometer for a top meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 7 minutes ago, Our Maizcay said: is that your barometer for a top meeting? I for one won't be betting on it until the issues with it seem to be sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, Our Maizcay said: is that your barometer for a top meeting? I think it is a quite good barometer. Mostly very keen racing enthusiasts on this site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 Karaka sectionals are available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 15 minutes ago, Hesi said: Karaka sectionals are available Maria Farina again stands out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 Although Petrucci had the best times over the last 200/400/600/800 by a good margin, albeit over the shorter distance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 13 hours ago, Hesi said: Reviewing all the races, nothing made ground from the back. That made Egyptian Queens run in the Almanzor so much more incredible considering its very slow start out of the gates again. If this horse leaves with them watch out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 39 minutes ago, Globederby19 said: That made Egyptian Queens run in the Almanzor so much more incredible considering its very slow start out of the gates again. If this horse leaves with them watch out. Yep saw that. The run was almost identical to Petrucci, with both making ground on the rails during the race, so they were not that far off the lead on the turn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 Just going through the races again, despite the rain, you couldn't say the rail was off, so that is a positive for the track. Every race was won 2-4 out from the rail, and as Vanturk corrected me, the only horse to make significant ground down the outside was Just As Sharp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanturk Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Tab t/o for the Ellerslie meeting according to bgp was 9 5 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 16 minutes ago, vanturk said: Tab t/o for the Ellerslie meeting according to bgp was 9 5 million Which means nothing. The important figure is net betting revenue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 13 minutes ago, Hesi said: Which means nothing. The important figure is net betting revenue BGP managed to deliver around $600k of gross betting revenue from $1.9m t/o. That would be higher than the 'norm'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buller Rep Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Let's just say that there is a massive problem with the track the way that it is. Until it settles down, it will be a watch and wait for me, except I/we still have to pick in the Race Cafe Fab 4 competition. Our results yesterday were right out of quilter with our norm, so let;s just wait and see. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buller Rep Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, mardigras said: BGP managed to deliver around $600k of gross betting revenue from $1.9m t/o. That would be higher than the 'norm'. More fools them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, Buller Rep said: Let's just say that there is a massive problem with the track the way that it is. Until it settles down, it will be a watch and wait for me, except I/we still have to pick in the Race Cafe Fab 4 competition. Our results yesterday were right out of quilter with our norm, so let;s just wait and see. LOL Was it a musical comp or did it actually involve racehorses lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Article in paper edition of Herald this morning by Mick Guerin. Quote from Paul Wilcox: "First thing first, we absolutely admit it was not ideal but we were unlucky with the rain, which can make any firm surface more slippery than you would like" "But we're dealing with a new track that everybody loved at the first meeting and the new surface is still settling down, which it will continue to do for another year" "That means the top had what was described to me as 'surface tension' and that caused the issue" "The bottom line is it wasn't good enough but the Jockeys were comfortable still racing and obviously we didn't try and convince them either way, that was between them and the stewards". Wilcox says he and his team will work with Stewards and, if needed, Jockeys to test the track if that is deemed necessary before the next meeting and they want to have things more settled for the Cup meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 6 minutes ago, pete said: Article in paper edition of Herald this morning by Mick Guerin. Quote from Paul Wilcox: "First thing first, we absolutely admit it was not ideal but we were unlucky with the rain, which can make any firm surface more slippery than you would like" "But we're dealing with a new track that everybody loved at the first meeting and the new surface is still settling down, which it will continue to do for another year" "That means the top had what was described to me as 'surface tension' and that caused the issue" "The bottom line is it wasn't good enough but the Jockeys were comfortable still racing and obviously we didn't try and convince them either way, that was between them and the stewards". Wilcox says he and his team will work with Stewards and, if needed, Jockeys to test the track if that is deemed necessary before the next meeting and they want to have things more settled for the Cup meeting. Can someone translate into English please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Yup sounds like obfuscation to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, pete said: Article in paper edition of Herald this morning by Mick Guerin. Quote from Paul Wilcox: "First thing first, we absolutely admit it was not ideal but we were unlucky with the rain, which can make any firm surface more slippery than you would like" "But we're dealing with a new track that everybody loved at the first meeting and the new surface is still settling down, which it will continue to do for another year" "That means the top had what was described to me as 'surface tension' and that caused the issue" "The bottom line is it wasn't good enough but the Jockeys were comfortable still racing and obviously we didn't try and convince them either way, that was between them and the stewards". Wilcox says he and his team will work with Stewards and, if needed, Jockeys to test the track if that is deemed necessary before the next meeting and they want to have things more settled for the Cup meeting. You would have to believe with the wealth of knowledge about turf from Strathayr, local turf people and the track manager, that this is a solvable issue, UNLIKE TRENTHAM, WHICH CAN ONLY BE FIXED BY A COMPLETE RE-LAY OF THE ENTIRE TRACK. I'd still like to know what 'the top had surface tension ' means I'm picking 3 things 1. The track manager said in the lead up to this meeting, the turf is not ready to race on yet, especially if we get showers on the day 2. Wilcox and Vela said, we race on Jan 27 at Ellerslie, full stop 3. Vela said on the day in a very round about but direct way lol, the meeting goes ahead 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Here's the full article: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/ellerslie-bosses-to-work-out-teething-problems-before-next-race/SQ6T47MFJJFA3ONR6ABN4RIF6I/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 God there's some numpties out there. This idiot called The Torch on the other channel is unhinged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 He is from a well known racing family, Paul(?) Gestro. The Torch is well known as a Gestro, so not divulging any confidences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Hmm ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 With reference to Guerin's article and the comments after R6 was run, I don't think you can accurately say that That was completed with no significant racing incidents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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