pete Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 220 job losses at TAB. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12334597 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 On 5/24/2020 at 5:33 PM, VC! said: I see Jason Waddell has just tweeted after the travel restrictions are lifted he will be relocating to Australia A shame to lose a jockey of his calibre,but ya gotta chase the money and it looks like the money here isn't enough to keep some people here.Am sure Jason will go well over in Oz,and i'll definitely keep on following him.I guess the question is now where will he go?,my gut is telling me Melbourne for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, barryb said: Its likely all over for Racing in NZ. $5k stakes coming in July. I'm still not clear how they will have even that if they are losing money now and paying no stakes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, curious said: I'm still not clear how they will have even that if they are losing money now and paying no stakes out. Had some looks at their site - and it's pretty easy to see why they aren't making any money. The fixed odds are ridiculous - I'd say lower than most competitors. And no one is betting tote because they've shifted everyone elsewhere. They've been operating on the basis of a monopoly and thinking that therefore, they don't need to be competitive (since there is no competition in NZ). They are a joke. And now, there is no time left to instigate a recovery plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VC! Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mardy said: A shame to lose a jockey of his calibre,but ya gotta chase the money and it looks like the money here isn't enough to keep some people here.Am sure Jason will go well over in Oz,and i'll definitely keep on following him.I guess the question is now where will he go?,my gut is telling me Melbourne for some reason. He could go to Brisbane and become leading rider there Jake Bayliss and 2+3 are going well I would go to Sydney McDonald Collett Collett Hutchings Magorrian are all there great stake money at Provincial Sydney and an added bonus you don’t need to put up with AFL 24/7 Edited May 25, 2020 by VC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 With Jennifer Eccles looking at being aimed at some good races in Melbourne over the Spring,i wonder if that will sway his decision to be based in Melbourne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) Jennifer Eccles is being aimed at the Golden Eagle, Ritchie was interviewed on radio over here and said they were looking strongly at that option, of course they can change their mind I couldn’t back her in the Golden Eagle, the race I would like to back her in would be a Caulfield Cup Not sure where she sits in making a Cox Plate field https://www.punters.com.au/news/g1-winning-nz-filly-eyes-aus-spring_190063/ Edited May 25, 2020 by VC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 No reason why Jennifer Eccles can’t run in the Golden Eagle then go to Melbourne for the Caulfield Cup at the end of November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 minute ago, VC! said: No reason why Jennifer Eccles can’t run in the Golden Eagle then go to Melbourne for the Caulfield Cup at the end of November Except the Caulfield Cup is scheduled for 17th October which is before Golden Eagle - or have they changed dates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 AFL runs the state of Victoria when they say jump you answer how high Stay tuned it has just been on the morning show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, VC! said: AFL runs the state of Victoria when they say jump you answer how high Stay tuned it has just been on the morning show If they shift as being suggested, the Caulfield Cup will be a nothing this year (imo). It will be like the Sandown events post Melbourne Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, mardigras said: If they shift as being suggested, the Caulfield Cup will be a nothing this year (imo). It will be like the Sandown events post Melbourne Cup. I think V’landys has a bit to do with this, he wants Sydney to have the early Spring and Melbourne to move the Cox Plate Caulfield Cup Melbourne Cup to late Spring With the introduction of the Everest and Golden Eagle elite jockeys are split where they ride With the AFL GF now pushed back they have an excuse to move these race dates, let’s see What eventuates I just caught the last bit of it, I thought you’ve got to be farkin kidding me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, VC! said: I think V’landys has a bit to do with this, he wants Sydney to have the early Spring and Melbourne to move the Cox Plate Caulfield Cup Melbourne Cup to late Spring With the introduction of the Everest and Golden Eagle elite jockeys are split where they ride With the AFL GF now pushed back they have an excuse to move these race dates, let’s see What eventuates I just caught the last bit of it, I thought you’ve got to be farkin kidding me V'Landys is a total dick. No wonder he has some involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I think MRC is hoping for patron attendance. The later they leave the decision, the worse the impact to the quality of the events in my view. I wouldn't go to a Caulfield Cup after a Melbourne Cup (and I've been to about 15 Caulfield Cups). Purely because I think the horses that will stay up to race in it, will be the leftovers, should it be after the Melbourne Cup, even though the prizemoney shouldn't make that the case. I also had a feeling that any antepost bets would have to be refunded from the bookies - if the race is moved by more than 7 days. Not 100% on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Definitely moved. https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6159030162001 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) I’m like you For me the MC is the grand final of the Spring racing even the Oaks on the Thursday doesn’t do it for me, even with them moving the McKinnon to the last day on the Saturday it still felt a little flat, as for the Saturday after With the Sandown meeting the carnival feels well and truly over for mine, yet the feeling is different all the way leading up to the Melbourne Cup Its the same feeling when I watch the golf the Masters and the British Open do it for me yet the US Open and especially the PGA don’t have the same impact on me, same with the tennis, I can’t get into the French and US Open the same way I do with Wimbledon and the Australian Open Having the Caulfield Cup at the end of November won’t do it for me, I would imagine futures betting would be refunded, not sure though Actually a better example for me was the movement of the Auckland Cup from New Year’s Day some like it, it does nothing for me! Edited May 26, 2020 by VC! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Bloody hell....life's not dull, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 What about the N.H horses? wouldn't the change in time slot make participation more feasible for Arc/Breeders' Cup runners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, Freda said: What about the N.H horses? wouldn't the change in time slot make participation more feasible for Arc/Breeders' Cup runners? Certainly would for Arc runners (if they were interested). Breeders Cup too tight due to quarantine timeframes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 This from Jason Waddell Looks like Jennifer Eccles will head to Melbourne (wise move) but who knows, after his associations with JE Waddell more than likely will base himself in Sydney One of New Zealand's top big-race jockeys is heading across the Tasman. Jason Waddell said he is at a stage in his career where he would like to test his talents in Australia. "I wanted to be a part of the ship that resurrected New Zealand racing, I really did, but sometimes you have got to do what is best for yourself and your family and go where the money is," Waddell said. The 34-year-old hoop previously enquired about a track rider position with Sydney trainers Gai Waterhouse and Adrian Bott last year, however, with his services not being pursued, Waddell's hunger to prove himself grew. "That fueled a fire in me to get back out there on the track to prove to myself that I was good enough to go there, and I did that this season," he said. "I set myself a pretty hefty target of five Group 1s and 10 Stakes wins this season, which I don't think many jockeys achieve, and I ended up with four and 11. "I missed out on the last Group 1 (the NZ Thoroughbred Breeders' Stakes was cancelled due to COVID-19) on Supera, so I had a chance for five. "I thought my riding is good enough now to go overseas and have a crack. "My body is great, my mind is good, and my riding has been showing that this season." While Waddell has long held a desire to test himself across the Tasman, he said the uncertainty surrounding New Zealand racing over the past few months sealed his decision, including a reduction in opportunities with racing broadcaster Trackside. "I was interested in pursuing a career in media once I had hung up my boots and I was getting quite a bit of work for Trackside," he said. "I was really interested in following that avenue, but with the recent cuts at Trackside I don't even know if that avenue is going to be there for me later on. "That was one of the factors keeping me here." Waddell enjoyed his previous forays riding in Australia, and said he was impressed with the facilities and the professional systems in place for jockeys. "The last time I rode over there was two years ago with Vin De Dance in the Rosehill Guineas and the Australian Derby," he said. "I had previously ridden in Sydney on a couple of other occasions. My only winner has been at Flemington on Tavistock in the Group 2 Blamey Stakes. "The systems that they have got in place and the support they have for jockeys is great. "I am a little over New Zealand's tall poppy syndrome as well, to be honest." Waddell has enjoyed riding G1 New Zealand Oaks (2400m) winner Jennifer Eccles this season and he said he will plan his initial Australian movements around her spring campaign. "I am probably going to base my spring around Jennifer Eccles, if they want me to continue riding her," Waddell said. "I will go to Melbourne first and we'll see if we settle in well there. "If they don't want me sticking with Jennifer Eccles then I might go straight to Sydney." Waddell is keen to establish himself before relocating his young family. "It's too big of a move to move everyone over there when I am not sure where we are going to be settled," he said. "I have got to be pretty selfish and work hard on my weight, my fitness, and my career when I am over there. "But my wife (Anna) understands that and she is happy about that." While he is looking forward to the move, Waddell said he would consider travelling back to New Zealand to ride in some of the bigger carnivals. "I definitely want to come back for the Christmas Carnival," he said. "The quietest time in Australia is their Christmas period, so I am definitely keen to come back and ride at the carnivals for the big Group 1 races if it doesn't clash with my schedule over there." Waddell returned to trackwork riding on Saturday and said he will continue to build on his fitness before hopefully making the move to Australia in July, if travel restrictions allow. "I started back riding on Saturday and was back at the track this (Tuesday) morning riding for Stephen Marsh. The body is holding up well," he said. "I would like to be over there within six weeks to two months. It is going to take me a month to get my base fitness back up over here and maybe ride at a couple of trial meetings and some of those first meetings in July. "I would like to be there before August and hopefully bank on a few of the Aussie jockeys taking a little bit of a holiday before the spring kicks in and there might be a few little spaces there for me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 It's going to be a tough scenario if NZ racing becomes unsustainable. Many jockeys would struggle to get consistent rides in Australia imo. And that's just the jockeys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I think it depends on where they base themselves At the end of the day if you remain in NZ you’ll be doing it for the love of the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, VC! said: I think it depends on where they base themselves Darwin?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 54 minutes ago, mardigras said: It's going to be a tough scenario if NZ racing becomes unsustainable. Many jockeys would struggle to get consistent rides in Australia imo. And that's just the jockeys. It's essentially unsustainable now. TAB revenue is down 50%. OK. They've finally started to make some cuts but $11m is a drop in the ocean and a year late. What I'm worried about is they think the revenue will increase once NZ racing and sports are back. That may be to some extent especially if there are latent sports betting punters that would reactivate but I can't see it anything like doubling to previous levels. Not sure that will put them back in the black let alone generate much for racing even if they can survive that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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