Tour de Australasia Results Thread

[PWJ]

Bugger ! A literal whisker Dark Dream went down by

[brown fox]

And I just had to be on it🤪

[Maximus]

The Comp leader and a few others must be quite worried about the toppie in the last as Maxi's BB at 38-1 

Desperate times call for desperate measures

MM

[PWJ]

Round 7 - Sun Dec 5

Race 14 - Werribee R7

1st - 6 Starcaster W-$3.40   P-$1.50

2nd - 1 Dark Dream P-$3.50

3rd - 4 Blenheim Palace P-$4.00

Scr: 9

Ian, Craig & Geoff bag BBs on the Cup winner with Ian consolidating his lead by a margin, Craig starting his run from the back and Geoff back into the points while Gordy (now up to 3rd) and the myopic Squirrel also on the narrowest of winners. Winfreux has passed Porky and is back into the points, Craig has claimed Jen and Blind Squirrel has pulled back the static Punter Pete. Rusty, Porky and significantly, Jack drop out of the points at an inconvenient moment....

418.4 Ian

299 Ziggy

259.4 Gordy

253.4 Geoff

240 Lightning Blue

237.4 Midnight Caller

234.4 Jill

232 Gary

186 Winfreux

171.4 Sharne

-----------points plimsoll----------------

165 Rusty

162.4 Porky

157.4 Jack

156 Rex

150 Blind Squirrel

142.4 Robert

141 Wrinkles

141 Craig

137 Jamison

133 Rob

132 Punter Pete

120.4 Jen

118.4 Steve P

116 PJ

116 Stevie N

116 Roland

108.8 Richie

104 Graeme

103 Maurice

95 Gee

88 Pete

82 Hesi

79.4 Pam

79 Max

77 Ray

74 Tom

0 Secret Squirrel

 

HTHs

88 Pete (29)

141 Wrinkles (19)

 

259.4 Gordy (30)

137 Jamison (34)

 

103 Maurice (16)

79.4 Pam (10)

 

118.4 Steve P (8)

77 Ray (34)

 

186 Winfreux (13)

162.4 Porky (25)

 

104 Graeme (14)

240 Lightning Blue (19)

 

232 Gary (32)

74 Tom (21)

 

142.4 Robert (25)

234.4 Jill (28)

 

150 Blind Squirrel (23)

132 Punter Pete (37)

 

116 Roland (34)

82 Hesi (11)

 

95 Gee (37)

0 Secret Squirrel (15)

 

171.4 Sharne (5)

418.4 Ian (4)

 

108.8 Richie (18)

237.4 Midnight Caller (21)

 

141 Craig (3)

120.4 Jen (30)

 

157.4 Jack (1)

165 Rusty (7)

 

299 Ziggy (6)

133 Rob (16)

 

156 Rex (1)

79 Max (27)

 

253.4 Geoff (9)

116 PJ (23)

 

116 Stevie N (12) v the break-even of $240 

[pete]

'Pete is passed by Wrinkles'

I think wrinkles won the war against my body about 15 years ago.

[VC!]

3 minutes ago, Maximus said:

The Comp leader and a few others must be quite worried about the toppie in the last as Maxi's BB at 38-1 

Desperate times call for desperate measures

MM

These horses will send me into a spin

Humzz

Arroance

My Boy Nick

El Salto

Joltin Joe

Spirit of Aquada

Apres La Mer

Sensational Reward

possibly Crystal Vain

 

[PWJ]

Last race picks

418.4 Ian (14)

299 Ziggy (15 BB)

259.4 Gordy (4 BB)

253.4 Geoff (14)

240 Lightning Blue (14)

237.4 Midnight Caller (12 BB)

234.4 Jill (4)

232 Gary (8 BB)

186 Winfreux (6)

171.4 Sharne (15 BB)

-----------points plimsoll----------------

165 Rusty (5 BB)

162.4 Porky (AWOL)

157.4 Jack (4 BB)

156 Rex (15 BB)

150 Blind Squirrel (15 BB)

142.4 Robert (AWOL)

141 Wrinkles (3)

141 Craig (13)

137 Jamison (2 BB)

133 Rob (13 BB)

132 Punter Pete (AWOL)

120.4 Jen (12 BB)

118.4 Steve P (5 BB)

116 PJ (5 BB)

116 Stevie N (12 BB)

116 Roland (1 BB)

108.8 Richie (14)

104 Graeme (12 BB)

103 Maurice (3)

95 Gee (8)

88 Pete (12 BB)

82 Hesi (12 BB)

79.4 Pam (12)

79 Max (1 BB)

77 Ray (13 BB)

74 Tom (7 BB)

0 Secret Squirrel (12 BB)

[PWJ]

Tom the Terror strikes !

[PWJ]

Well done Geoff - could have downed you with either of those last two runnerups ! At least I got ya at Motukarara 😉

[PWJ]

Round 7 - Sun Dec 5

Race 15 - Werribee R8

1st - 7 Joltin' Joe W-$23.50   P-$5.70

2nd - 5 El Salto P-$3.70

3rd - 13 Apres La Mer P-$3.90

Scr: 9,10,16,17

Tom the Terror does the almost impossible flashing home from second last to win the day with the jammy Joltin' Joe  as the top 5 going into the last drew a blank !  Rusty's BB on the runner-up also took him into the points as Winfreux and Sharne are bumped out of the points at the death. Commiserations to Gary who must have felt comfortable for 5 points with a $158 lead going into the last. That's Super Comps for ya....

658 Tom (30)

418.4 Ian (23)

299 Ziggy (20)

259.4 Gordy (17)

253.4 Geoff (15)

240 Lightning Blue (13)

239 Rusty (11)

237.4 Midnight Caller (9)

234.4 Jill (7)

232 Gary (1)

-----------points plimsoll----------------

211 Rob

192.4 Steve P (5)

190 PJ

186 Winfreux (5)

180 Craig (5)

171.4 Sharne

162.4 Porky

157.4 Jack

156 Rex (5)

155 Ray

150 Blind Squirrel (5)

142.4 Robert

141 Wrinkles (5)

137 Jamison

132 Punter Pete

120.4 Jen

116 Stevie N

116 Roland (5)

108.8 Richie

104 Graeme

103 Maurice (5)

95 Gee (5)

88 Pete

82 Hesi

79.4 Pam

79 Max

0 Secret Squirrel

 

HTHs

88 Pete (29)

141 Wrinkles (19)

 

259.4 Gordy (30)

137 Jamison (34)

 

103 Maurice (16)

79.4 Pam (10)

 

192.4 Steve P (8)

155 Ray (34)

 

186 Winfreux (13)

162.4 Porky (25)

 

104 Graeme (14)

240 Lightning Blue (19)

 

232 Gary (32)

658 Tom (21)

 

142.4 Robert (25)

234.4 Jill (28)

 

150 Blind Squirrel (23)

132 Punter Pete (37)

 

116 Roland (34)

82 Hesi (11)

 

95 Gee (37)

0 Secret Squirrel (15)

 

171.4 Sharne (5)

418.4 Ian (4)

 

108.8 Richie (18)

237.4 Midnight Caller (21)

 

180 Craig (3)

120.4 Jen (30)

 

157.4 Jack (1)

239 Rusty (7)

 

299 Ziggy (6)

211 Rob (16)

 

156 Rex (1)

79 Max (27)

 

253.4 Geoff (9)

190 PJ (23)

 

116 Stevie N (12) v the break-even of $240 

 

Points after ROUND 7

Rex's HTH win over Max takes him into an undisputed lead at the top of the table while Jack, Craig & Ian remain 2nd, 3rd & 4th respectively. Ziggy moves up a place to 5th while Rusty also gains a spot. Today's sensational winner Tom leaps up to 8th. Five rounds to go so anyone could still take out the whole thing. Thanks for playing and see you all again on THURSDAY and FRIDAY for Wyong & Tauranga.

96 Rex

91 Jack

81 Craig

79 Ian

70 Ziggy

59 Rusty

55 Sharne

54 Tom

54 Geoff

45 Steve P

40 Winfreux

38 Lightning Blue

38 Pam

37 Hesi

36 Stevie N

35 Maurice

33 Midnight Caller

33 Graeme

31 Secret Squirrel

30 Rob

30 Wrinkles

29 Gordy

28 Richie

26 Blind Squirrel

25 Jill

21 PJ

20 Porky

20 Robert

19 Max

16 Pete

12 Jen

11 Gary

10 Roland

10 Maria

5 Gee

5 Jamison

5 Ray

 

[PWJ]

STATS

Most Wins

4 Jill

4 Ian

4 Geoff

4 Gordy

 

Most Collects

6 Gordy

6 Blind Squirrel

6 Rob

 

Biggest Winning Margin
658.00 Tom
232.00 Gary

Narrowest Winning Margin
150.00 Blind Squirrel

132.00 Punter Pete

Highest Losing Score
232.00 Gary

Lowest Winning Score
95.00 Gee

[Turny]

Paul Simon freak, just had to have Joe De Magio at any old price .... pure luck

[PWJ]

Just noticed the Ellerslie twilight meeting down for Thursday is cancelled so ROUND 8 will be on FRIDAY 10th DEC at Tauranga and Scone

Change of plan. See below

 

[PWJ]

12 hours ago, PWJ said:

Just noticed the Ellerslie twilight meeting down for Thursday is cancelled so ROUND 8 will be on FRIDAY 10th DEC at Tauranga and Scone

Hmmm...actually I have some issues with having two meetings on the Friday. I can't schedule Round 8 for earlier in the week as everyone will come back by Thursday looking to compete in the next round so what I will do is split the round between Wyong on the Thursday and Tauranga on the Friday. I hope everyone is okay with that. You can post for both meetings at the same time or split your selection posts

[PWJ]

Round 8 - Thu Dec 9

Race 1 - Wyong R3

1st - 6 Caboteur W-$1.90   P-$1.30

2nd - 12 Ba Ai Gei Ni P-$1.40

3rd - 9 Perfect Match P-$7.20

Scr: 2,3,7

Sub: #6

The pacy Parr winner tipped by Winfreux, Ian, Robert and Ziggy as they share the lead after one. Massive thunderstorms happening here again so don't be surprised if i drop out at some point.

32 Roland

32 Ziggy

32 Ian

32 Winfreux

32 Robert

14 Graeme

14 Hesi

14 Midnight Caller

14 Geoff

14 PJ

14 Pam

14 Punter Pete

0 the rest

 

HTHs

0 Lightning Blue (12)

0 Gee (35)

 

14 Graeme (17)

0 Sharne (7)

 

0 Gordy (22)

14 Hesi (14)

 

0 Wrinkles (20)

32 Robert (27)

 

0 Jill (25)

0 Tom (8)

 

14 PJ (26)

32 Ian (4)

 

0 Gary (32)

0 Max (29)

 

0 Maurice (16)

0 Secret Squirrel (19)

 

14 Pam (12)

0 Jack (2)

 

14 Punter Pete (38)

0 Pete (30)

 

0 Richie (23)

0 Craig (3)

 

32 Roland (33)

0 Jamison (35)

 

0 Steve P (10)

0 Rob (20)

 

32 Ziggy (5)

32 Winfreux (11)

 

0 Ray (35)

14 Geoff (8)

 

14 Midnight Caller (17)

0 Jen (31)

 

0 Rusty (6)

0 Stevie N (15)

[PWJ]

Round 8 - Thu Dec 9

Race 2 - Wyong R4

1st - 6 Schoona The Better W-$8.70   P-$3.20

2nd - 3 Bak Da Man P-$1.60

3rd - 4 Departing Bullet P-NTD

Scr: 1,2,8

Sub: #7

Amazingly only Winfreux with a BB and Richie on the local last-start winner and they go 1-2 as a result. Midnight caller with a BB on the runner-up goes to 3rd. Comp leader Rex is missing. Hope he's okay

270 Winfreux

119 Richie

46 Midnight Caller

32 Roland

32 Ziggy

32 Ian

32 Robert

30 PJ

30 Pam

16 Pete

16 Lightning Blue

--------------points plimsoll-------------

14 Graeme

14 Hesi

14 Geoff

14 Punter Pete

0 the rest

 

HTHs

16 Lightning Blue (12)

0 Gee (35)

 

14 Graeme (17)

0 Sharne (7)

 

0 Gordy (22)

14 Hesi (14)

 

0 Wrinkles (20)

32 Robert (27)

 

0 Jill (25)

0 Tom (8)

 

30 PJ (26)

32 Ian (4)

 

0 Gary (32)

0 Max (29)

 

0 Maurice (16)

0 Secret Squirrel (19)

 

30 Pam (12)

0 Jack (2)

 

14 Punter Pete (38)

16 Pete (30)

 

119 Richie (23)

0 Craig (3)

 

32 Roland (33)

0 Jamison (35)

 

0 Steve P (10)

0 Rob (20)

 

32 Ziggy (5)

270 Winfreux (11)

 

0 Ray (35)

14 Geoff (8)

 

46 Midnight Caller (17)

0 Jen (31)

 

0 Rusty (6)

0 Stevie N (15)

[PWJ]

Round 8 - Thu Dec 9

Race 3 - Wyong R5

1st - 11 Petulant W-$2.00   P-$1.30

2nd - 2 One Way Street P-$1.20

3rd - 3 Foolish P-$1.60

Scr: 1,4,5,9,13-16

Sub: #11

16 on the winning fave one way or another including BBs for Ziggy (now 3rd) and Gary (now 4th) while leader Winfreux goes 3-for-3 !

303 Winfreux

131 Richie

98 Ziggy

66 Gary

65 Ian

65 Robert

63 Pam

47 Geoff

47 Punter Pete

46 PJ

46 Midnight Caller

--------------points plimsoll-------------

33 Maurice

33 Steve P

33 Jen

33 Secret Squirrel

33 Max

33 Wrinkles

33 Stevie N

33 Tom

32 Roland

32 Jill

32 Ray

30 Hesi

28 Pete

28 Lightning Blue

26 Graeme

16 Craig

12 Gordy

12 Jack

12 Sharne

12 Jamison

0 Gee

0 Rob

0 Rusty

 

HTHs

28 Lightning Blue (12)

0 Gee (35)

 

26 Graeme (17)

12 Sharne (7)

 

12 Gordy (22)

30 Hesi (14)

 

33 Wrinkles (20)

65 Robert (27)

 

32 Jill (25)

33 Tom (8)

 

46 PJ (26)

65 Ian (4)

 

66 Gary (32)

33 Max (29)

 

33 Maurice (16)

33 Secret Squirrel (19)

 

63 Pam (12)

12 Jack (2)

 

47 Punter Pete (38)

28 Pete (30)

 

131 Richie (23)

16 Craig (3)

 

32 Roland (33)

12 Jamison (35)

 

33 Steve P (10)

0 Rob (20)

 

98 Ziggy (5)

303 Winfreux (11)

 

32 Ray (35)

47 Geoff (8)

 

46 Midnight Caller (17)

33 Jen (31)

 

0 Rusty (6)

33 Stevie N (15)

[PWJ]

Round 8 - Thu Dec 9

Race 4 - Wyong R6

1st - 11 Bengalla Bay W-$3.30   P-$1.60

2nd - 9 River Mac P-$2.00

3rd - 15 Trust Me P-$2.00

Scr: 1,2,4,5,7,8,13,14

Sub: #12

10 on the Muswellbrook visitor including a BB for Craig who climbs into the top 5 with the two above him on the overall table not in the points today. The crystal ball continues to work for Winfreux who goes 4-for-4 ! he has #5 Thunderbolt two in the last, just so you know what to back !

352 Winfreux

180 Richie

118 Ziggy

115 Gary

114 Craig

96 Punter Pete

95 PJ

95 Midnight Caller

85 Ian

82 Steve P

--------------points plimsoll-------------

77 Geoff

65 Robert

63 Pam

61 Gordy

61 Sharne

53 Tom

49 Rob

48 Lightning Blue

33 Maurice

33 Jen

33 Secret Squirrel

33 Max

33 Wrinkles

33 Stevie N

32 Roland

32 Jill

32 Ray

30 Hesi

28 Pete

26 Graeme

12 Jack

12 Jamison

0 Gee

0 Rusty

 

HTHs

48 Lightning Blue (12)

0 Gee (35)

 

26 Graeme (17)

61 Sharne (7)

 

61 Gordy (22)

30 Hesi (14)

 

33 Wrinkles (20)

65 Robert (27)

 

32 Jill (25)

53 Tom (8)

 

95 PJ (26)

85 Ian (4)

 

115 Gary (32)

33 Max (29)

 

33 Maurice (16)

33 Secret Squirrel (19)

 

63 Pam (12)

12 Jack (2)

 

96 Punter Pete (38)

28 Pete (30)

 

180 Richie (23)

114 Craig (3)

 

32 Roland (33)

12 Jamison (35)

 

82 Steve P (10)

49 Rob (20)

 

118 Ziggy (5)

352 Winfreux (11)

 

32 Ray (35)

67 Geoff (8)

 

95 Midnight Caller (17)

33 Jen (31)

 

0 Rusty (6)

33 Stevie N (15)

[PWJ]

Top 15 selections for the last:

352 Winfreux (5)

180 Richie (6)

118 Ziggy (11)

115 Gary (6)

114 Craig (11)

96 Punter Pete (11 BB)

95 PJ (6 BB)

95 Midnight Caller (6)

85 Ian  (11)

82 Steve P (6 BB)

--------------points plimsoll-------------

77 Geoff (6 BB)

65 Robert (3 BB)

63 Pam (11 BB)

61 Gordy (6 BB)

61 Sharne (11 BB)

[PWJ]

Round 8 - Thu Dec 9

Race 5 - Wyong R7

1st - 3 Hasty Duchess W-$6.20   P-$2.70

2nd - 10 The Chosen One P-$2.70

3rd - 1 Carlisle Bay P-NTD

Scr: 2,4,7,9

Sub: #11

The top 11 failed to make a collect as a trio of Jen, Graeme and Robert all labeled the Coyle winner and to boot all landed best bets as they move up to occupy 3 of the top 5 spots heading across the ditch. See you all again for the final 5 at Tauranga tomorrow.

352 Winfreux

243 Robert

204 Graeme

180 Richie

122 Jen

118 Ziggy

115 Gary

114 Craig

96 Punter Pete

95 PJ

95 Midnight Caller

--------------points plimsoll-------------

85 Ian

84 Hesi

82 Pete

82 Steve P

77 Geoff

66 Jamison

63 Pam

61 Gordy

61 Sharne

60 Stevie N

53 Tom

49 Rob

48 Lightning Blue

33 Maurice

33 Secret Squirrel

33 Max

33 Wrinkles

32 Roland

32 Jill

32 Ray

12 Jack

0 Gee

0 Rusty

 

HTHs

48 Lightning Blue (12)

0 Gee (35)

 

204 Graeme (17)

61 Sharne (7)

 

61 Gordy (22)

84 Hesi (14)

 

33 Wrinkles (20)

243 Robert (27)

 

32 Jill (25)

53 Tom (8)

 

95 PJ (26)

85 Ian (4)

 

115 Gary (32)

33 Max (29)

 

33 Maurice (16)

33 Secret Squirrel (19)

 

63 Pam (12)

12 Jack (2)

 

96 Punter Pete (38)

82 Pete (30)

 

180 Richie (23)

114 Craig (3)

 

32 Roland (33)

66 Jamison (35)

 

82 Steve P (10)

49 Rob (20)

 

118 Ziggy (5)

352 Winfreux (11)

 

32 Ray (35)

67 Geoff (8)

 

95 Midnight Caller (17)

122 Jen (31)

 

0 Rusty (6)

60 Stevie N (15)

[PWJ]

Round 8 - Fri Dec 10

Race 7 - Tauranga R7

1st - 7 Jodelin Gal W-$5.80   P-$2.40

2nd - 1 Red Hussar P-$2.50

3rd - 12 Lightning Field P-$2.40

Scr: 2(L),3,9,14,16,17

Sub: #6

Punter Pete is the sole selector of the Waipa wuffie and climbs up to 7th as the top 6 above him all miss. Eight on the runner-up and six on the 3rd placegetter including BBs for Lightning Blue & Secret Squirrel. Overall 3rd placed Craig drops out of the points. Has anyone checked on Rex ??

352 Winfreux

297 Ziggy

267 Robert

217 Graeme

212 Wrinkles

180 Richie

178 Punter Pete

135 Jen

128 Gary

120 PJ

120 Midnight Caller

--------------points plimsoll-------------

114 Craig

109 Hesi

98 Ian

98 Stevie N

96 Lightning Blue

94 Secret Squirrel

93 Geoff

91 Jamison

90 Tom

82 Pete

82 Steve P

76 Pam

73 Rob

71 Maurice

61 Gordy

61 Sharne

56 Roland

38 Rusty

33 Max

32 Jill

32 Ray

12 Jack

0 Gee

 

 

HTHs

96 Lightning Blue (12)

0 Gee (35)

 

217 Graeme (17)

61 Sharne (7)

 

61 Gordy (22)

109 Hesi (14)

 

212 Wrinkles (20)

267 Robert (27)

 

32 Jill (25)

90 Tom (8)

 

120 PJ (26)

98 Ian (4)

 

128 Gary (32)

33 Max (29)

 

71 Maurice (16)

94 Secret Squirrel (19)

 

76 Pam (12)

12 Jack (2)

 

178 Punter Pete (38)

82 Pete (30)

 

180 Richie (23)

114 Craig (3)

 

56 Roland (33)

91 Jamison (35)

 

82 Steve P (10)

73 Rob (20)

 

297 Ziggy (5)

352 Winfreux (11)

 

32 Ray (35)

93 Geoff (8)

 

120 Midnight Caller (17)

135 Jen (31)

 

38 Rusty (6)

98 Stevie N (15)

[PWJ]

Top 15 selections in the next:

352 Winfreux (12)

297 Ziggy (4)

267 Robert (10)

217 Graeme (10)

212 Wrinkles (4)

180 Richie (6)

178 Punter Pete (15)

135 Jen (11)

128 Gary (2 BB)

120 PJ (15)

120 Midnight Caller (9)

--------------points plimsoll-------------

114 Craig (3)

109 Hesi (2)

98 Ian  (2)

98 Stevie N (3)

96 Lightning Blue (10)

[PWJ]

Round 8 - Fri Dec 10

Race 8 - Tauranga R8

1st - 2 Gee Cee W-$2.70   P-$1.50

2nd - 6 Doubtful Sound P-$1.90

3rd - 12 Rapid Recall P-$2.40

Scr: 7,8,13,17(L),18-20

Sub: #2

Hesi, Tom, Ian, Jamison and Secret as well as Gary, Jack & Gee, that trio all bagging BBs. Gary now joins Wrinkles t o share 5th. Jen & PJ drop out of the points 😒

376 Winfreux

297 Ziggy

267 Robert

217 Graeme

212 Gary

212 Wrinkles

199 Richie

178 Punter Pete

151 Hesi

140 Ian

--------------points plimsoll-------------

136 Secret Squirrel

135 Jen

133 Jamison

132 Tom

120 PJ

120 Midnight Caller

117 Geoff

114 Craig

109 Maurice

101 Steve P

98 Stevie N

96 Lightning Blue

96 Jack

84 Gee

82 Pete

80 Sharne

76 Pam

75 Roland

73 Rob

70 Jill

61 Gordy

57 Rusty

33 Max

32 Ray

 

 

HTHs

96 Lightning Blue (12)

84 Gee (35)

 

217 Graeme (17)

80 Sharne (7)

 

61 Gordy (22)

151 Hesi (14)

 

212 Wrinkles (20)

267 Robert (27)

 

70 Jill (25)

132 Tom (8)

 

120 PJ (26)

140 Ian (4)

 

212 Gary (32)

33 Max (29)

 

109 Maurice (16)

136 Secret Squirrel (19)

 

76 Pam (12)

96 Jack (2)

 

178 Punter Pete (38)

82 Pete (30)

 

199 Richie (23)

114 Craig (3)

 

75 Roland (33)

133 Jamison (35)

 

101 Steve P (10)

73 Rob (20)

 

297 Ziggy (5)

376 Winfreux (11)

 

32 Ray (35)

117 Geoff (8)

 

120 Midnight Caller (17)

135 Jen (31)

 

57 Rusty (6)

98 Stevie N (15)

[PWJ]

Top 16 picks:

376 Winfreux (5 BB)

297 Ziggy (5 BB)

267 Robert (10)

217 Graeme (7)

212 Gary (sub)

212 Wrinkles (sub)

199 Richie (3)

178 Punter Pete (5 BB)

151 Hesi (5)

140 Ian (10)

--------------points plimsoll-------------

136 Secret Squirrel (5)

135 Jen (14)

133 Jamison (sub BB)

132 Tom (sub)

120 PJ (5)

120 Midnight Caller (sub)

#4 Last Up is a late scratching in the next

Third fave The First Link favoured by the top two (with BBs) and plenty of others...

[PWJ]

That damn running rail slot adds about 10 kgs to the leaders when they turn for home at Gate Pa  🙁