Hesi Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Did it ever occur to anyone else, that Ardern could single handedly develop a vaccine, and the same anti-Labour mob would still copy and paste every anti article they could find, and what would be the recourse - she should have been working on it a lot earlier - she is still out of her depth - if John Key was still leading the country - why is she working on a vaccine, when she should be being PM - she should have anticipated this and built lots of new hotels so we could quarantine everyone - has she been to speech therapy yet - has she been to the dentist yet - if she had a sex change I could take her seriously - if Stephen(dead cat on the table)Joyce was leading the country - we're from Racing, we know everything, if only she had our communication skills What else, wittiest comment gets a $20 win bet at Randwick tomorrow to sort of bring it back to racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I'm not a Labour fan, but I have no issue with what the government is doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 if we are able to 'stamp it out' (at least for a few months) and/or contain its impact (through the Levels 1-3 options) until an effective vaccine is readily available in NZ, we will have done better initially than nearly all other countries in the 'first world'. I think Jacinda is unlikely to be swayed by anyone other than Dr Bloomfield right now - and he will err on the side of caution, because he knows that the downside of further lockdown now is less than the downside of having to go back from 3 to 4 again (if, eg, community transmission has not been detected well enough by their very limited testing regime). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Maximus said: if we are able to 'stamp it out' (at least for a few months) and/or contain its impact (through the Levels 1-3 options) until an effective vaccine is readily available in NZ, we will have done better initially than nearly all other countries in the 'first world'. I think Jacinda is unlikely to be swayed by anyone other than Dr Bloomfield right now - and he will err on the side of caution, because he knows that the downside of further lockdown now is less than the downside of having to go back from 3 to 4 again (if, eg, community transmission has not been detected well enough by their very limited testing regime). On that rationale then, it has to be another 2 weeks of lock down, as they seem to be operating in 2 week blocks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForValue Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Phased re-opening of schools, businesses and open spaces should be considered alongside a range of practical ways to keep people physically apart, say the authors of a new study on how lockdown can be eased without a resurgence of coronavirus infections. https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/study-identifies-275-ways-to-reduce-spread-of-coronavirus-following-lockdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) A bit of hyperbole possibly. But as I have been saying, lock down or no lock down, economies (and share markets) are in for a storm. https://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/delusional-investors-are-underestimating-the-economic-shock-the-world-is-facing-20200416-p54kc3.html I particularly thought this may be going a bit far - but time will tell on that. I don't think Spain or the US ideas are good ideas however. "What is surely wrong is to imagine that this pandemic is a one-off shock lasting three months or so, followed by an early release from lockdowns and a swift return to near normality. The first glimpses of antibody data - such as Denmark's test on blood donors - show that we are nowhere near the safe threshold of herd immunity. They confirm fears that the mortality rate is at least 1 per cent of infections and that therefore no democracies can let the virus run its course without overwhelming their health services and destroying their political legitimacy. The supposed trade-off between lives and the economy is an illusion. The most certain way to turn this crisis into a depression is to give up too soon, as Spain is already doing, and Donald Trump is itching to do. We would end up in the worst of all worlds, with multiple waves, and another forced closure of the economy to avert a winter tsunami, requiring trillions more in fiscal relief. The only viable path is to contain the virus - to drive the R0 transmission rate (the reproduction number that describes the intensity of an outbreak) below 1 - and hold it down by East Asian means of "testing, tracing, and isolating" as we shift from an acute phase to a chronic phase. We are not close to achieving this. We lack the testing infrastructure at scale - even in Germany - and little is being done to prepare the public for tracking surveillance." Edited April 17, 2020 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 The more I think about this, the more I warm to the idea of an Australasian bubble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hesi said: On that rationale then, it has to be another 2 weeks of lock down, as they seem to be operating in 2 week blocks yes ...and if we extend lockdown for two weeks, wouldn't that give us 2 or 3 x cycles (of 2 weeks) since our borders were closed and strict quarantine measures came into place - which makes contact tracing possible of everyone known to be in the country, and far fewer foreign nationals stranded in the country ... and allows health system to be fully prepared for winter increase Edited April 17, 2020 by Maximus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I quite like the idea of a Bluetooth credit card sized card for contact tracing - if the technology works and they can deploy it quickly. Pick up IDs in proximity and allow for end to end tracing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Some may have read my posts elsewhere stating UK was currently trending worse than Spain at the same point. Here are two charts of Deaths where day 0 is the day there were 10 recorded deaths in each country. The second chart is the days 26 - 36 for Spain and the UK. Where the UK gradient is clearly greater than that of Spain's at the same relative point in time. The 36 day is the current UK end point. It's easier to see the gradient on a linear chart. These next charts show some other comparisons around death rates at comparable points. Each for Day 0 being the day 10 deaths were recorded total. In the Sweden one, Sweden is a country with under half the population of Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 And some may find this interesting. This is the comparative confirmed cases Australia and NZ, Day 0 being the day they had recorded 100 cases. One has higher lock down processes than the other (of course, one is a more populated country as well). 11 days after reaching 100 cases, they each reached around 1000 cases tracking together. Prior to the lock down, we were actually tracking upwards faster than Australia at the same relative point. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, mardigras said: And some may find this interesting. This is the comparative confirmed cases Australia and NZ, Day 0 being the day they had recorded 100 cases. One has higher lock down processes than the other (of course, one is a more populated country as well). 11 days after reaching 100 cases, they each reached around 1000 cases tracking together. Prior to the lock down, we were actually tracking upwards faster than Australia at the same relative point. The total cases though, has ended up equivalent when related back to population. Had Aus locked down, would they have ended up with a lot lower number of cases, which relative to their population would have been an extraordinary result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I'm not convinced population is key. Density more like. Probably why the USA is in strife - New York and neighbouring New Jersey - extremely high density populations. So whilst I would expect more cases under the same regime in Australia, I wouldn't expect 5 times the number of cases. Just my opinion of course. Currently, I'd be more concerned with places like countries in Africa and South America (and India as well) - health systems are poorer generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 What's the source of those Mardi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, curious said: What's the source of those Mardi? Worldometers data. I'm a bit of a data nut. So I've been tracking the data for a number of countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Update from RITA COVID-19 Update 19 April 2020 The Racing Industry Transition Agency (RITA) today (19 April) provides a further update on the potential impacts of, and its response to, COVID-19, including initial consideration for the TAB of the restrictions announced by Government of a move to Alert Level 3 and pending consultation of the draft racing calendar for May, June and July 2020. TAB Performance TAB’s digital platform, as well as Trackside Television continue to operate despite available content declining by approximately 80% when compared to content available prior to COVID-19. Thoroughbred, harness and greyhound race meetings in Australia (excluding Tasmania) are continuing and attracting a strong level of interest amongst TAB customers. The current strength and continuation of Australian racing is offsetting, to some extent, the lack of New Zealand racing content. Overall the number of customers betting on Australian racing codes in the past week was 42,000 which is up 50% on the pre-COVID average, however, the level of total account bettors during the week is down 25% (to 19 April). The number of customers betting on sport was 8,000, a decrease of 75%, with approximately half of the week’s total sport turnover on Table Tennis, followed by Tennis and E-sport. Managing costs RITA continues to take steps to mitigate the impacts of COVID-19 on its business and its financial position by reducing operating and capital expenditure, reviewing various commercial arrangements and identifying efficiencies. Specific actions taken to date include: Pre Alert Level 4 (March 22) A total recruitment freeze and a hold on RITA’s contract with its recruitment partner put in place Oncourse presenters moved to present from studio Use of non-essential contractors and casuals ceased Staff travel and payment of certain discretionary allowances stopped (including overtime) All non-essential expenditure ceased Presenter-led Trackside shows cancelled Trackside radio moved to simulcast of Trackside Television Post Alert Level 4 (March 23 to current) More than 3,400 leave days approved for the period through to the end of 2020 following a request for all TAB employees to use entitled annual or alternative leave All staff asked to consider taking voluntary unpaid leave or reduced hours Reduction in remuneration for RITA Board, Executive Chair and Executive Management Team Trackside radio programming on AM and FM suspended on April 12 Trackside production scaled down with programming largely replaced with a live feed of Sky Australia coverage Active negotiations with landlords, suppliers and other services to secure relief or amended conditions Accessed the Government’s wage subsidy programme All non-essential capital expenditure on hold through to 30 June 2020 (at the earliest) RITA is unable to reliably quantify the full financial impact of COVID-19 on its business but anticipates being in a position to provide some detail once the immediate future around the return of domestic racing becomes clearer over the coming weeks. Resumption of racing The RITA Dates Committee, who is charged with overseeing the Annual Racing Dates Calendar, is finalising a draft calendar for industry consultation covering the period of May, June and July. The calendar is intended to reflect the restrictions applicable to racing under Alert Levels 3 and 2 as they are currently understood, whilst also reflecting the requirement for suitable training and trialling prior to any race meetings. It is anticipated that this draft calendar will be released following confirmation by the Government of the timeframe to move from Alert Level 4 to Level 3. The closing date for feedback is 28 April. The Committee intend to release a revised draft calendar for 2020/21 in mid-May. The Government has announced some initial details about what business and working conditions might be like under Alert Level 3. RITA is coordinating some work from the three Codes in discussions with Government officials, recognising it needs to be able to demonstrate that the industry can operate safely, and play its part in minimising the transmission of COVID-19. It is RITA’s expectation that all TAB branches and offices will remain shut under Alert Level 3, and it is working with the Government to confirm conditions for an appropriate and responsible resumption to racing, including training and trailing. Any resumption of racing will be supported with Return to Racing Rules and Protocols which will be issued by the relevant Code as soon as possible. RITA’s Executive Chair, Dean McKenzie said the landscape for the TAB’s operation had changed dramatically since the onset of COVID-19. “It is clear COVID-19 has had a significant impact on the operation of the TAB, its people and everyone connected with the racing industry in New Zealand. “The Board and management are actively working on all levers to reduce costs and drive efficiencies wherever possible. We are working closely with the Codes and racing industry organisations to ensure a collective response to this crisis. We are encouraged by the significant steps being taken to adapt to the current crisis across all industry bodies, with the Codes, Racing Integrity Unit, Judicial Control Authority and the Racing Laboratory reducing their operational expenditures. “While significant steps continue to be taken to reduce expenditure, we know the TAB will continue to be challenged by a significant reduction in available content for some time and the Board are determined to maintain significant focus to ensure the sustainability of the business.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/jacinda-ardern-new-zealand-leadership-coronavirus/610237/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigos1 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, barryb said: Oh fuck off, that's total bollocks. Having a bad day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 It does seem difficult to get objective reporting these days. Helen Clark's name featured a lot, at which point I stopped reading. But then I don't read past the first line of anything Hosking writes either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigos1 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, barryb said: I cant stand Hosking either. There y'go .....we do agree on something! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 His partner Hawkesby is a lot worse, because while Hosking has some intelligence, she has virtually none 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, barryb said: Oh fuck off, that's total bollocks. I love the Labour Party Jacinda is a legend what a great album Never mind the Bollocks, good to see you a pistols fan too bazza I reckon Phil Mickleson would be a Labour supporter not sure what his nickname is? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Not me, I'm surprised, as surprised as you. If you Nats want to win the next election, get rid of Simon Bridges, hard going listening and watching him. Someone mentioned Simon O'Connor. Anyway, some balance please, we have very moderate Labour support on here, balanced out by Pete, and then the great thinkers like Mardi and Curious chime in and make us all think about what we say. Compare that with the right wing fanaticism on the other 2 sites Ted is still copy and pasting every anti Ardern thing he can find, every day, and that is 2 years and 8 months after I started that thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hesi said: If you Nats want to win the next election, get rid of Simon Bridges, hard going listening and watching him. Someone mentioned Simon O'Connor. He’s Bridges brother in law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 56 minutes ago, craigos1 said: There y'go .....we do agree on something! holy shite, Hesi, Barryb, Craigos and the Mustelid in harmony on something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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