curious Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hesi said: Comment from the co-leader of the NZ Outdoor Party, does she not realise the virus is no respecter of the Kiwi spirit Co-leader Sue Grey said the government's action was "increasingly draconian". "Let's break out of the fear and cotton wool mentality where we are locked inside buildings like frightened mice, and let's rediscover our Kiwi spirit," she said. "Life is never going to be no risk." What about a National/Labour coalition government after the next election and get the rest of the idiots out of the picture? PM whichever party gets the most votes. Other leader the deputy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, pete said: One dead Alan one dead. When do you start weighing up the huge economic hardship going on against that? We need to get out of this Level 4 thing as soon as possible. As always, just my opinion. Of course but I still think it's the best economic option. If you don't like it emigrate to the US or somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, curious said: What about a National/Labour coalition government after the next election and get the rest of the idiots out of the picture? PM whichever party gets the most votes. Other leader the deputy. Grand coalition, may even happen if things get dire in this country. I'm not sure on what the law is, about how long an election can get postponed. I presume also the electoral authority will have been told to ramp up their act to be able to have an online election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, curious said: Of course but I still think it's the best economic option. If you don't like it emigrate to the US or somewhere. Not sure you're actually thinking logically about this. I don't really see how ripping the country's economy apart is justified on the current figures. Don't get me wrong I don't dispute the original necessity to lock things down. I just have an unsettling feeling that the government is going to use this as a way to push through its socialist agenda. By the time we all realise what's been happening it will be too late. Never mind. It's your opinion and you're entirely entitled to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Hesi said: Grand coalition, may even happen if things get dire in this country. I'm not sure on what the law is, about how long an election can get postponed. I presume also the electoral authority will have been told to ramp up their act to be able to have an online election They can't stay in government without agreement from the opposition after November I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, pete said: One dead Alan one dead. When do you start weighing up the huge economic hardship going on against that? We need to get out of this Level 4 thing as soon as possible. As always, just my opinion. The worrying thing for a lot of people, is where will it head in NZ. People read of what is happening in 1st world countries like Italy, Spain, UK and US. What you say will be what a lot of people in government will be addressing over the next week. I believe it is this week that a decision is made whether to extend the level 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 And that is going to be the hardest decision any government in NZ has made in a long long while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Hesi said: The worrying thing for a lot of people, is where will it head in NZ. People read of what is happening in 1st world countries like Italy, Spain, UK and US. What you say will be what a lot of people in government will be addressing over the next week. I believe it is this week that a decision is made whether to extend the level 4 I think the economic damage if we stay in lockdown after the 4 weeks is up will far outweigh the effects of this virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hesi said: And that is going to be the hardest decision any government in NZ has made in a long long while Alan I do get what you're saying but when you look at the modeling that they based their decision on to go into lockdown and find we're at only a quarter of the projections you would really have to say it's time to start moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 The government will play for time then, so you may not see a decision this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hesi said: The government will play for time then, so you may not see a decision this week Can't see why there would be any decision until the end of the four weeks? At that point it will likely be which regions can be dropped to level 3. At the moment the SI west coast, NI East Coast and Manawatu are leading that race. Edited April 5, 2020 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 hours ago, curious said: https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/239475/keeneland-stays-ahead-of-curve-in-war-against-covid-19 Impressive. I assume NZ clubs are engaged in similar activities and security measures in preparation for a safe resumption to training and racing. Hope your temperature was ok this morning Freda when you went on course to feed the cats and run the dogs. Oh, of course. Got checked as I went through the gate, couldn't catch the cats to check them, the chooks were ok though. Went back and got the dogs, they were all fine too, the greyhound flushed a hare across the middle, might see if I can get him a job on pest control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hesi said: The government will play for time then, so you may not see a decision this week They are going to lose the populace pretty quickly if they don't move. Domestic violence is on the up and will only get worse the longer this goes on. Anyway I've probably said enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I'm no expert, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are other things at play, vaccination strategy of countries, genetics and also obviously the degree of exposure to the virus for those infected. I wouldn't expect a change before 4 weeks. We may just be fortunate that the impact has been low currently. But countries with advanced levels of care and social welfare in Europe are not finding things the same as us. Even if we went back to work, I don't see the economy being a lot different to if we don't (over a 4 week period). Those organisations that didn't work on the basis of having at least 3 months of sustainable funds, would always struggle through things like this. As an earlier poster pointed out, what we learn from history is that we don't learn from history. And if the lockdown changed, tourism will not. Neither would the fear that exists in many NZers. And that fear is going to be the biggest hurdle in my view, in trying to resurrect the economy by reducing the initial lockdown period, whilst things are the way they are. Sure there are many that don't have a care - but you only have to walk down the street and to the supermarkets, to see the fear is real. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, pete said: Domestic violence is on the up and will only get worse the longer this goes on. Where do you get that data from Pete? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 https://i.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/120702381/coronavirus-spike-in-new-zealands-family-violence-rates-during-lockdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 Also in the UK https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/domestic-abuse-cases-soar-as-lockdown-takes-its-toll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 This can't be very surprising to you Curious surely? You have women trapped in abusive relationships stuck in a 'bubble' with nowhere to go. It isn't 'data' it's real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, pete said: https://i.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/120702381/coronavirus-spike-in-new-zealands-family-violence-rates-during-lockdown Dewar said crime had remained constant in Taranaki, and nationally police were seeing a positive decrease across the board following an initial increase in family harm, which has begun to level off and was now declining as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, pete said: This can't be very surprising to you Curious surely? You have women trapped in abusive relationships stuck in a 'bubble' with nowhere to go. It isn't 'data' it's real life. No. It's bullshit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 Just now, curious said: No. It's bullshit. And where is your evidence to prove that? Logic would tell you that if there is abuse in a relationship it will only get worse when the participants are basically stuck in the same house together 24 hours a day. Bloody hell. Some people 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, pete said: And where is your evidence to prove that? Logic would tell you that if there is abuse in a relationship it will only get worse when the participants are basically stuck in the same house together 24 hours a day. Bloody hell. Some people 😡 Read the article again and think. There is no data to suggest there has been an increase in domestic violence. There was a spike in reporting of it, sure. Similar to Christmas / New Year when people are mostly at home and have more time to report it. That doesn't mean there is an increase in incidence, just reporting. And the article clearly says that any initial increase in family harm has begun to level off and is now declining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 Whatever Curious. Your stupendous intellect dwarfs mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) Fear and economic ruin notwithstanding, I'm obediently staying quietly at home, apart from walking across the road to feed the animals at the stables, and take the dogs round the track. The garden looks tidy, the house is cleaner than it has been for years, and the aches and pains that have been constant for a long time are much easier to live with. Im getting through a book every few days and I'm finding out so much stuff that I will be an even more insufferable knowall. Can find a plus in things...for now. Edited April 5, 2020 by Freda 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Freda said: Oh, of course. Got checked as I went through the gate, couldn't catch the cats to check them, the chooks were ok though. Went back and got the dogs, they were all fine too, the greyhound flushed a hare across the middle, might see if I can get him a job on pest control. If racing is serious about getting back going at the end of the 4 weeks where we go back to level 3 if we do, then clubs and NZTR should have those type of protocols in place, like now! Cindy is inviting the hospitality industry on RNZ this morning to “start thinking now about how they can get involved in contact tracing” when allowed to reopen. They better have these things sorted and in place not just allow people to wander in and out of racecourses unchallenged without sign in etc. as appears to be the case down there. It's likely that contact tracing and distancing will still be required at level 2, so systems need to be in place and for some time. They maybe need an app that reads licence cards or something with a 'gapman' at any entrances. Hopefully, they are cracking on this not just having a loose chat about it in the stakeholders conference call tomorrow. Leadership is needed. Edited April 5, 2020 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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