Covid-19 update

[Hesi]

1000 pretty much SOP for polls

[Maximus]

18 hours ago, Hesi said:

Seems the widely rubbished, supposed Labour biased, leaked UMR poll was pretty much on the mark

Labour 55 Nats 29

Latest 'official' Reid poll

Labour 56.5 Nats 30.6

But will we see a rebound against Labour, Maxi as per the Churchill scenario you quoted

Latest poll cites 92% support for the lockdown, but will the economic downturn dampen that?

IMO the only thing stopping a Churchillian reversal for St Cindy is Nats' complete lack of leadership. I am no 'leftie' but I do need to feel confident that the team in power have a proper handle on the economy and this lot's 'tax and spend and hope'  approach is hardly convincing. Bridges really should fall on his sword in the interests of his Party's future, because - Covid or no Covid - he has no 'pulling power'. This is a good election for the Nats to lose, you could say, given the decline in GDP and carnage in the jobs market, but Nats could win the election if they had a leader/team who could 'sell' their ability to guide us out of this with minimum damage. Looking around the room, there is ....no-one unless Key/English/Joyce want their old jobs back LOL ..Goldsmith didn't impress me on TV t'other day .all he said was the Budget lacked strategy and a clear plan. They don't need any more of a plan than the $50billion worth of lollies they're handing out.

[Hesi]

I see the same people who made predictions that the initial UMR poll was rubbish, because it was supposedly Labour in house, are now rubbishing these results, saying the economy downtown will come back and bite Labour in the backside.

Maybe, maybe not, but the point is, some of these people talk a load of shyte, and that is people supposedly paid for their opinions

[pete]

23 minutes ago, Hesi said:

I see the same people who made predictions that the initial UMR poll was rubbish, because it was supposedly Labour in house, are now rubbishing these results, saying the economy downtown will come back and bite Labour in the backside.

Maybe, maybe not, but the point is, some of these people talk a load of shyte, and that is people supposedly paid for their opinions

Calm down. It's one poll and only one poll. It really has no bearing on anything, especially when you look at the abject failure of these polls in most recent elections anywhere (Australia?). Even Scomo has had a huge bounce back after his bushfire debacle.

You also seem to contradict yourself by saying that people are supposedly paid for their opinions but then opine yourself that they are  load of shyte because they happen to not agree with you.

The point here is that they are opinions and the last time I looked we still live in a democracy although that has certainly been eroded lately.

Just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to express it.

[pete]

8 hours ago, barryb said:

The average Kiwi is pretty thick as this poll shows, politics around the world has become personality driven rather than policy and economic smarts.

Looks like many of us will be paying for this 3yr disaster and another 3yr years for the next 20 to come.

The thing that scares me most about that poll is the 70+ incompetents that would be unleashed into Government to completely wreck whatever might be left of the NZ economy.

 

[craigos1]

Polls.......................Has anyone here ever been phoned for their political opinion.

I have once and obviously gave my leftish views!

Great to see this latest poll showing how intelligent us Kiwis  are and how far we have come🙂

But the main thing about polls is generally if you don't agree with what its saying you get the opportunity to ridicule those whose views are different to yours.

[pete]

Ooo here's a great idea. Let's burden employers who are already stretched to breaking point with some more public holidays.

I wonder which one of the gang of incompetents came up with that gem.

You couldn't make this shit up.

 

[mardigras]

5 minutes ago, craigos1 said:

But the main thing about polls is generally if you don't agree with what its saying you get the opportunity to ridicule those whose views are different to yours.

Or you could just ignore the polls, and ignore the political bullshit. And forget about what everyone is doing and then make up your decision about voting in the last couple of weeks leading up to the election based on your own ideals and whose story you trust.

That's what I do. I couldn't give a shit who's doing things now, and what the various other parties think of that. I just get on doing what I am able within the framework that exists - whoever is in government. To me, it's a waste, spending much time thinking about the good or bad of either.

[craigos1]

13 minutes ago, pete said:

Ooo here's a great idea. Let's burden employers who are already stretched to breaking point with some more public holidays.

I wonder which one of the gang of incompetents came up with that gem.

You couldn't make this shit up.

 

Or perhaps once a month we have a RDO as they do across the ditch.

There has been talk of another Public Holiday for quite sometime................August was a month mentioned re Sir Ed.

[Hesi]

24 minutes ago, mardigras said:

Or you could just ignore the polls, and ignore the political bullshit. And forget about what everyone is doing and then make up your decision about voting in the last couple of weeks leading up to the election based on your own ideals and whose story you trust.

That's what I do. I couldn't give a shit who's doing things now, and what the various other parties think of that. I just get on doing what I am able within the framework that exists - whoever is in government. To me, it's a waste, spending much time thinking about the good or bad of either.

Well that is pretty much what I did at the last election, having been someone who had voted for the Nats previously 

[Hesi]

37 minutes ago, craigos1 said:

Polls.......................Has anyone here ever been phoned for their political opinion.

I have once and obviously gave my leftish views!

Great to see this latest poll showing how intelligent us Kiwis  are and how far we have come🙂

But the main thing about polls is generally if you don't agree with what its saying you get the opportunity to ridicule those whose views are different to yours.

Yes, unbelievably 3 times in the last 18 months, none UMR

[mardigras]

13 minutes ago, craigos1 said:

Or perhaps once a month we have a RDO as they do across the ditch.

I don't think that is paid leave unless you have built up the hours, although I stand to be corrected.

[Hesi]

I thought it was a good idea, and while an imposition on the rest of the economy, it gives local tourism the boost needed, after all that was the reason it was mooted in the first place.

I think you will find that productivity improves to counter the extra holidays

Wasn't that what they found, when that insurance company went to 4 day weeks after initially trialling them

[mardigras]

How's Sweden looking economically. Yes, a media report - but from Riksbank data supposedly.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html

This before the continued big Covid-19 health impacts.

[pete]

17 minutes ago, Hesi said:

I thought it was a good idea, and while an imposition on the rest of the economy, it gives local tourism the boost needed, after all that was the reason it was mooted in the first place.

I think you will find that productivity improves to counter the extra holidays

Wasn't that what they found, when that insurance company went to 4 day weeks after initially trialling them

You can take all the holidays you like when you're made redundant because your employer can't afford to pay you.

It's the same as increasing the minimum wage. 

Socialist dogma at its worst.

I realize you guys don't share my views but that's OK 

[curious]

8 minutes ago, mardigras said:

How's Sweden looking economically. Yes, a media report - but from Riksbank data supposedly.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html

This before the continued big Covid-19 health impacts.

And it cites something I was scanning earlier today.

The National Institute for Economic Research (NIER) said in a statement Wednesday that it believed that Sweden’s economy is set to shrink 7% this year and unemployment to rise to 10.2%.

“Developments in April indicate that the Covid-19 pandemic will hit the Swedish economy much harder than anticipated,” the NIER said, adding that “the global economy is developing worse than expected which is hitting Swedish export companies which are also hampered by problems with international supply chains.”

[mardigras]

2 minutes ago, pete said:

You can take all the holidays you like when you're made redundant because your employer can't afford to pay you.

It's the same as increasing the minimum wage. 

Socialist dogma at its worst.

I realize you guys don't share my views but that's OK 

If I was to care - the issue I see is that the current government is becoming entrenched in social welfare. I'd say they have gone beyond a reasonable level. I don't see how such high degrees of social welfare help with the notion of building up what is essentially a market driven economy.

[Hesi]

3 minutes ago, mardigras said:

If I was to care - the issue I see is that the current government is becoming entrenched in social welfare. I'd say they have gone beyond a reasonable level. I don't see how such high degrees of social welfare help with the notion of building up what is essentially a market driven economy.

But many of those markets in lockdown in countries where Covid 19 has many new daily cases, therefore you can't deal with them in a tourist scenario

[mardigras]

Just now, Hesi said:

But many of those markets in lockdown in countries where Covid 19 has many new daily cases, therefore you can't deal with them in a tourist scenario

You don't need to focus on tourism. You need to get people to become somewhat visionary and look for opportunity. Rather than falling into the "I'm buggered", help me out Mr Government. Which is where we are heading.

[curious]

9 minutes ago, mardigras said:

If I was to care - the issue I see is that the current government is becoming entrenched in social welfare. I'd say they have gone beyond a reasonable level. I don't see how such high degrees of social welfare help with the notion of building up what is essentially a market driven economy.

That sounds very like the mission of an industry we are all quite close to.

 

[mardigras]

1 minute ago, curious said:

That sounds very like the mission of an industry we are all quite close to.

 

Sadly yes, maybe those at the helm should have thought about that - or maybe they think the SW approach is something to embrace?

[Hesi]

6 minutes ago, mardigras said:

You don't need to focus on tourism. You need to get people to become somewhat visionary and look for opportunity. Rather than falling into the "I'm buggered", help me out Mr Government. Which is where we are heading.

Fair comment

[Hesi]

Looks like a potential vote of no confidence as early as next Tues

Anyone care to put up a market of leading contenders, with a bit of comment about each

Simon Bridges

Paula Bennett

Paul Goldsmith

Judith Collins

Todd McClay

Mark Mitchell

Nikki Kaye

Louise Upston

Todd Muller

David Bennett

Simon O'Connor

Michael Woodhouse

[Hesi]

I'm coming around to your way of thinking Barry, they need someone to take Ardern on, and hold her to account, and sorry but Bridge's efforts have been like the proverbial wet bus ticket.

Maybe she is just the sacrificial lamb for the next election

[pete]

8 hours ago, Hesi said:

I'm coming around to your way of thinking Barry, they need someone to take Ardern on, and hold her to account, and sorry but Bridge's efforts have been like the proverbial wet bus ticket.

Maybe she is just the sacrificial lamb for the next election

Good comment Alan. I see National under Collins at least steadying the ship and she may surprise a few people. She is far more media savvy than she used to be and has got rid of some of the rougher edges.

Sure she's polarizing but I don't see that as a problem.

As you say, someone needs to hold this government to account and apply the blowtorch to the incompetence that exists below the leadership. She absolutely destroyed Twyford on Kiwibuild and did it with a smile on her face.