Covid-19 update

[mardigras]

10 minutes ago, Globederby19 said:

Should we revisit Covid19, there is always the old adage that "the thing we learn most from History is that we learn nothing from it"

And this experience will be no different.

[Hesi]

Or in the interest of balance

Maxi's mate Winston Churchill

Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it. 

[mardigras]

4 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Or in the interest of balance

Maxi's mate Winston Churchill

Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it. 

History has shown we don't learn from it. So to do now would require a change in behaviour.

[Hesi]

5 hours ago, pete said:

You could argue that there wasn't enough fear from the government. It took quite a while before they actually decided to close the borders.

Also I don't think hindsight should preclude some honesty about what was done wrongly otherwise no lessons will be learned. You can't just stick your head in the sand on this.

Honesty(objectivity) and Chris Penk's(Rank 41) political motives, that's the big question mark 

His electorate, now renamed Kaipara ki Mahurangi, has seen some major boundary changes to include more urban areas such as West Harbour and Whangaparaoa, and with the swing against the Nats in the polls, the once healthy margin, must be in danger of being severely eroded

Nothing like a book to raise the profile, for an MP that has ridden into Parliament on the back of John Key turning the electorate from a close run thing in 2002, to 4 further landslide victories.

 

[curious]

There's obviously a shortage of money in the domestic economy, probably due to the lock down. The biggest crowd for a Blues game in 15 years, probably a sellout.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/121814873/super-rugby-aotearoa-blues-crowd-to-top-40000-as-auckland-dunedin-near-sellouts

[Hesi]

I've looked at the stats for most of the sports playing countries of note around the world, and apart from Australia, virtually all have great numbers of active cases, increasing new cases and substantial number of deaths.  Yet there is talk in some of these countries of relaxing lockdown restrictions.  How can that be?

I note things starting to escalate in South Africa....no tests against the Boks for quite a while

[curious]

3 minutes ago, Hesi said:

I've looked at the stats for most of the sports playing countries of note around the world, and apart from Australia, virtually all have great numbers of active cases, increasing new cases and substantial number of deaths.  Yet there is talk in some of these countries of relaxing lockdown restrictions.  How can that be?

I note things starting to escalate in South Africa....no tests against the Boks for quite a while

Don't really need them. We have test quality rugby on our doorstep for the time being.

[mardigras]

5 minutes ago, Hesi said:

I've looked at the stats for most of the sports playing countries of note around the world, and apart from Australia, virtually all have great numbers of active cases, increasing new cases and substantial number of deaths.  Yet there is talk in some of these countries of relaxing lockdown restrictions.  How can that be?

I note things starting to escalate in South Africa....no tests against the Boks for quite a while

I wouldn't be concerned. It's just a cold or a mild flu. Storm in a teacup.

[Hesi]

You mean now we don't have to kowtow to the wanton ideas of the Northern Hemisphere know alls

[Hesi]

4 minutes ago, mardigras said:

I wouldn't be concerned. It's just a cold or a mild flu. Storm in a teacup.

Yep, we can have a 12 week lockdown every year to sort the flu out anyway

[curious]

3 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Yep, we can have a 12 week lockdown every year to sort the flu out anyway

We probably should try that. The herd immunity approach hasn't been working very well in my life time. We'd need to close the borders as well though. That should get it.

[Hesi]

Does anyone know anyone who has had the flu this year, seems to have died out, or anyone with a sniffle is to scared to mention it.

[Hesi]

Is this serious, anything to do with you Pete?

Members of the UK public have launched a petition calling on the British Government to declare war on New Zealand, "then immediately surrender".

The petition is the latest idea for a Covid-19 strategy for the UK, where new cases continue to climb.

The petition suggests the British Government declares war on New Zealand and then surrenders, so that Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern can take over the reins in the UK, as part of international law that states that you become the de facto government of a country you defeat in war.

"The British Government has shown itself to be completely incapable of controlling the Covid-19 virus outbreak in the UK and has the highest death rate per head of population in the world," the petition states.

 

"The New Zealand Government has on the other hand carefully controlled the outbreak, presumable based on the same science as the British Government. and is now 'Covid-free'.

"Under international law if you defeat a country in a war you become the de facto government of that country until new arrangements are made. Therefore if the UK declares war on New Zealand and then immediately surrenders Jacinda Ardern and her Government will have to take over running the UK and will do a much better job that the present bunch of clowns," it continues.

[pete]

23 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Is this serious, anything to do with you Pete?

Members of the UK public have launched a petition calling on the British Government to declare war on New Zealand, "then immediately surrender".

The petition is the latest idea for a Covid-19 strategy for the UK, where new cases continue to climb.

The petition suggests the British Government declares war on New Zealand and then surrenders, so that Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern can take over the reins in the UK, as part of international law that states that you become the de facto government of a country you defeat in war.

"The British Government has shown itself to be completely incapable of controlling the Covid-19 virus outbreak in the UK and has the highest death rate per head of population in the world," the petition states.

 

"The New Zealand Government has on the other hand carefully controlled the outbreak, presumable based on the same science as the British Government. and is now 'Covid-free'.

"Under international law if you defeat a country in a war you become the de facto government of that country until new arrangements are made. Therefore if the UK declares war on New Zealand and then immediately surrenders Jacinda Ardern and her Government will have to take over running the UK and will do a much better job that the present bunch of clowns," it continues.

Nothing to do with me.

They are welcome to her.

[Midnight Caller]

42 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Is this serious, anything to do with you Pete?

Members of the UK public have launched a petition calling on the British Government to declare war on New Zealand, "then immediately surrender".

The petition is the latest idea for a Covid-19 strategy for the UK, where new cases continue to climb.

The petition suggests the British Government declares war on New Zealand and then surrenders, so that Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern can take over the reins in the UK, as part of international law that states that you become the de facto government of a country you defeat in war.

"The British Government has shown itself to be completely incapable of controlling the Covid-19 virus outbreak in the UK and has the highest death rate per head of population in the world," the petition states.

 

"The New Zealand Government has on the other hand carefully controlled the outbreak, presumable based on the same science as the British Government. and is now 'Covid-free'.

"Under international law if you defeat a country in a war you become the de facto government of that country until new arrangements are made. Therefore if the UK declares war on New Zealand and then immediately surrenders Jacinda Ardern and her Government will have to take over running the UK and will do a much better job that the present bunch7 of clowns," it continues.

Probably an extract from The Socialist, penned by Tony and Cherie🤫

[Hesi]

What's the odds that David Clark will not be Health Minister by the end of tomorrow

[pete]

7 hours ago, Hesi said:

What's the odds that David Clark will not be Health Minister by the end of tomorrow

100/1. She's incapable of it.

[curious]

Ardern said she was not considering sacking the health minister, David Clark. “He is part of fixing this issue, not the problem.”

[Hesi]

Poor form on Ardern's part, in view of Clark's previous indiscretions

There is a rightfully justified, vehement  public backlash on this, after the sacrifices many have made, which will turn into a political backlash

Clark is the political head of this, and therefore should 'take one for the team' and tender his resignation, which I believe will still happen as the intensity of the backlash continues.

Bloomfield has taken responsibility, but he is not political, and to be honest, they need him a lot more than what they need a Health Minister who is an idiot and lacks integrity

[craigos1]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121847833/covid19-new-cases-as-thousands-fly-in-from-australia-asia-pacific-islands-and-us

Question: Is there 1800 coming into NZ EACH WEEK?

[Hesi]

Couldn't quite put my finger on the similarity, until this latest pic

 

 

 

[Hesi]

Chris Hipkins appears competent, already picked up the running with the briefings, as he should

Critics of the way things have been handled in NZ, praising the Aus strategy, noticeably quiet with the news about 191 new cases in Victoria and a lockdown of Melbourne for 6 weeks.

Also news that the Covid privacy breach was the work of that dastardly woman Michelle Boag and no less a Nat MP.

I bet you that small brained twit who copy and posts propaganda every day, won't be posting any of this stuff

 

[Hesi]

Talk about egg on the face, in a big way for the Nats

National previously damning of privacy breach

On Saturday, before they knew Walker's involvement, Muller and National's health spokesman Michael Woodhouse were damning of the privacy breach.

"This is unconscionable and unacceptable that those suffering from the incredibly dangerous virus now have to suffer further with their private details being leaked," Woodhouse said.

"The Government needs to get to the bottom of this, and quickly."

Muller told RNZ the breach was "quite staggering" and "unacceptable".

"Is it a deliberate leak or is it accidental? It doesn't really matter at a level ... it's loose, it's shabby and it's a reminder these guys can't manage important things well."

[mardigras]

Pretty much as I said 4 months ago. What a surprise. Especially the last paragraph, which was blatantly obvious.

The elevated death toll resulting from Sweden’s approach has been clear for many weeks. What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors.

Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. “The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note.

This is more or less how damage caused by the pandemic has played out in Denmark, where the central bank expects that the economy will shrink 4.1 percent this year, and where joblessness has edged up to 5.6 percent in May from 4.1 percent in March.

In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains.

The coronavirus does not stop at national borders. Despite the government’s decision to allow the domestic economy to roll on, Swedish businesses are stuck with the same conditions that produced recession everywhere else. And Swedish people responded to the fear of the virus by limiting their shopping — not enough to prevent elevated deaths, but enough to produce a decline in business activity.

Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself. From Asia to Europe to the Americas, the risks of the pandemic have disrupted businesses while prompting people to avoid shopping malls and restaurants, regardless of official policy.

[Hesi]

The health effects in NZ have been almost a non event 

Very fortunate I thought