Dancing Show Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Don't think the number is 8 in the original pic.. Looks like 19 .. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, Maximus said: Uncle Remus. Bobby Vance. The image I posted was after the Avondale Guineas. MM There's no way in the world that's Avondale. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 If so, this would be the race that he won as a three year old 🙂 What a beaut he was 🙂 Avondale Guineas (2000m) beating Northfleet and Bahrain. Northfleet was relegated to 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Dancing Show said: If so, this would be the race that he won as a three year old 🙂 What a beaut he was 🙂 Avondale Guineas (2000m) beating Northfleet and Bahrain. Northfleet was relegated to 3rd. The picture is unquestionably of Ellerslie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Agree, Avondale don't have a 2 tiered stand Unless for some reason the Avondale Guineas was run at Ellerslie that year. Even if it was, you don't get crowds like that to see even Uncle Remus, run an Avondale Guineas. Definitely the Derby at Ellerslie, that was in the old days, when top horses like Uncle Remus did all their age group racing in NZ, and there were big crowds wherever he went Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Well whichever it is.. the numbers on his sash are different in both pics... and the crowd in the second is Ellerslie... you don't see the crowd in the first.... and that is the question.... 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Crossed wires methinks, referring to the 2 different pics posted. Yep looks like Avondale with the chicken wire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Not really... it was always the original question 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Tim Barton 24 June 2020 Uncle Remus was a marketing dream. A striking black colt, with a catchy name and talent that matched his looks, he became enormously popular with the public during his wonderful three-year-old campaign in the 1977-78 season. Uncle Remus raced in an era where racing’s hold on the sporting public was much stronger than is the case now and his presence at any meeting guaranteed a large crowd. He became so popular that on occasions he was stabled in secret on race day, to avoid problems with over-enthusiastic fans. Uncle Remus did not have a long career – as a result of a wind problem which emerged at the end of his three-year-old season – but it was truly spectacular. Trained at Takanini by Colin Jillings and usually ridden by stable apprentice Bob Vance, Uncle Remus won twice as a juvenile and reigned supreme the following season. He won 13 of his 15 starts as a three-year-old and had excuses for his two defeats. He was late clear when a luckless second in the Great Northern Guineas and then won 10 races in a row, before the wind affliction started to tell when he finished third in the International Stakes at Te Rapa, in his last run for the season. He dominated his age-group and also beat the older horses at weight-for-age. He won black type races from 1200m to 2400m and completed the NZ Two Thousand Guineas-NZ Derby double. Since the classic races were restructured in 1973, only four other horses - Fury’s Order, Balmerino, Surfers Paradise and Jimmy Choux – have won both the 2000 Guineas and NZ Derby. Uncle Remus also won the Wellington Derby, Wellington Guineas, Wellington Stakes, Avondale Guineas and Cambridge Breeders’ Stakes and beat the older horses in the Canterbury Gold Cup, Thames Valley Stakes, Clifford Plate and Rotorua Challenge Stakes. He often set the pace and was rarely seriously challenged that term, with five of his wins coming by three lengths or further. No New Zealand-trained horse since has managed 13 wins in a season. Sadly, Uncle Remus did not win another race. He had a wind operation following his three-year-old campaign and was tried again as a four-year-old but never regained his best form. He had two seconds as a four-year-old but was unplaced in his six other starts and was retired from racing. Vance, who rode Uncle Remus in all bar two of his starts, was 18 when Uncle Remus gave him the first of his four NZ Derby victories. Vance was the leading apprentice that season and won the jockeys premiership the following season. Uncle Remus was raced by Kim Clotworthy in partnership with the horse’s Northland breeder, Grace Donaldson. The pair raced Uncle Remus for pleasure rather than profit. They resisted overseas offers for the horse and helped ensure he began his stud career in New Zealand. Uncle Remus, a son of Bandmaster II, had stints at stud in both New Zealand and Australia but had little impact as a sire. He left a handful of stakes winners, with the best probably being Miss Remus, winner of the McKell Cup in Sydney and the Queen’s Cup in Brisbane, both at 2400m. However, his talent as a racehorse is undeniable. The sight of Uncle Remus at his peak, effortlessly powering away from his rivals, was not easy to forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I always remember him at Telford Stables at Trentham - such a good looker and only came over to see you when he felt like it 🙂 he always had a presence prancing around his paddock - he got the bigger paddock of course on Ararino Road in front of Dick Lacey's (racecourse electrician) house .. with a huge fence covered in ivy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Well, peeps, it pays to read what Max wrote before firing up the keyboard skills The image Max posted did not show a grandstand (or any identifiable part of a racecourse, really) and was in B&W... the colour photo, clearly of Ellerslie back in the day, was not posted by Max, but is of the same horse and rider. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Hesi said: Tim Barton 24 June 2020 Uncle Remus was a marketing dream. A striking black colt, with a catchy name and talent that matched his looks, he became enormously popular with the public during his wonderful three-year-old campaign in the 1977-78 season. Uncle Remus raced in an era where racing’s hold on the sporting public was much stronger than is the case now and his presence at any meeting guaranteed a large crowd. He became so popular that on occasions he was stabled in secret on race day, to avoid problems with over-enthusiastic fans. Uncle Remus did not have a long career – as a result of a wind problem which emerged at the end of his three-year-old season – but it was truly spectacular. Trained at Takanini by Colin Jillings and usually ridden by stable apprentice Bob Vance, Uncle Remus won twice as a juvenile and reigned supreme the following season. He won 13 of his 15 starts as a three-year-old and had excuses for his two defeats. He was late clear when a luckless second in the Great Northern Guineas and then won 10 races in a row, before the wind affliction started to tell when he finished third in the International Stakes at Te Rapa, in his last run for the season. He dominated his age-group and also beat the older horses at weight-for-age. He won black type races from 1200m to 2400m and completed the NZ Two Thousand Guineas-NZ Derby double. Since the classic races were restructured in 1973, only four other horses - Fury’s Order, Balmerino, Surfers Paradise and Jimmy Choux – have won both the 2000 Guineas and NZ Derby. Uncle Remus also won the Wellington Derby, Wellington Guineas, Wellington Stakes, Avondale Guineas and Cambridge Breeders’ Stakes and beat the older horses in the Canterbury Gold Cup, Thames Valley Stakes, Clifford Plate and Rotorua Challenge Stakes. He often set the pace and was rarely seriously challenged that term, with five of his wins coming by three lengths or further. No New Zealand-trained horse since has managed 13 wins in a season. Sadly, Uncle Remus did not win another race. He had a wind operation following his three-year-old campaign and was tried again as a four-year-old but never regained his best form. He had two seconds as a four-year-old but was unplaced in his six other starts and was retired from racing. Vance, who rode Uncle Remus in all bar two of his starts, was 18 when Uncle Remus gave him the first of his four NZ Derby victories. Vance was the leading apprentice that season and won the jockeys premiership the following season. Uncle Remus was raced by Kim Clotworthy in partnership with the horse’s Northland breeder, Grace Donaldson. The pair raced Uncle Remus for pleasure rather than profit. They resisted overseas offers for the horse and helped ensure he began his stud career in New Zealand. Uncle Remus, a son of Bandmaster II, had stints at stud in both New Zealand and Australia but had little impact as a sire. He left a handful of stakes winners, with the best probably being Miss Remus, winner of the McKell Cup in Sydney and the Queen’s Cup in Brisbane, both at 2400m. However, his talent as a racehorse is undeniable. The sight of Uncle Remus at his peak, effortlessly powering away from his rivals, was not easy to forget. The last sentence sums him up in the memory of Max - a teenybopper at the time. Uncle Remus, Fury's Order and the sprinter-miler Triton got me hooked on the game. The sight of the frontrunning Uncle Remus coming off the false rail at Ellerslie in the Clifford Plate was poetry in motion. Dec '77? MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Maximus said: The last sentence sums him up in the memory of Max - a teenybopper at the time. Uncle Remus, Fury's Order and the sprinter-miler Triton got me hooked on the game. The sight of the frontrunning Uncle Remus coming off the false rail at Ellerslie in the Clifford Plate was poetry in motion. Dec '77? MM Silver Knight and Magnifique for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/6/2022 at 3:12 PM, Maximus said: Maxi's Way-Too-Easy- Tues Trivia Name the horse Name the rider Name the racecourse Name the race. ...and tell me why this horse is not in the Hall of Fame. Ask Bob Vance, you are on Racecafe. He posts as Turnip Orange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Blue Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 56 minutes ago, Hesi said: Ask Bob Vance, Played Sunday cricket against Vancey on the inside of the training tracks at Takanini . Good bit of fun the Galloping boys v the Trotting lads. catches had to be one handed of course. (beer in other hand 😄) When Uncle Remus was winning for the young Bob , another great rider trainer was starting to do some remarkable things over the jumps that were awesome beyond words . blown away watching him... Here he is ...... Rider and Horse here for some Trivia anyone ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWJ Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, Lightning Blue said: Played Sunday cricket against Vancey on the inside of the training tracks at Takanini . Good bit of fun the Galloping boys v the Trotting lads. catches had to be one handed of course. (beer in other hand 😄) When Uncle Remus was winning for the young Bob , another great rider trainer was starting to do some remarkable things over the jumps that were awesome beyond words . blown away watching him... Here he is ...... Rider and Horse here for some Trivia anyone ?? That's got to be the great Kenny Browne given the style and the track is my old haunt of Awapuni 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Blue Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 12 hours ago, PWJ said: That's got to be the great Kenny Browne given the style and the track is my old haunt of Awapuni Near best in the land (and world) mr Ken Browne MBE. I think Manawatu is Awapuni ? one and the same for this win. Horse clue for everyone is >>>>>>> this bloke went to another 'island' and new level of 'fence' , and won 2 of the Nz 'Aintree' equivalents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Thun or Ascona MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Crown Star 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Blue Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Maximus said: Thun or Ascona MM Very close Max. Ascona winning 2 Great Northerns . Pete on the money with Crown Star winning 2 Grand Nationals Steeplechases at Riccarton . may have won the hurdles there too. As it pans, I Went to Ellerslie the day Ascona won 1977. and over 9 minutes the race took !! wow !! the concentration needed, and horse and horseman ability needed for that grueling contest. Through the ceiling impressive. I can still recall it now as a magic moment in time. All the best for a great Christmas mate!, for you and your family and all the great fun people on your site here.!! Thanks Hesi, Pete, Pj and all the great posters inc Our Maizcay, Jack and Craig (terrific blokes who were captains of comp teams I entered) and entertainment provided. thanks guys and Merry Christmas. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWJ Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 While we wait for race one, what track is this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Complete guess SARATOGA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWJ Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, ngakonui grass said: Complete guess SARATOGA No. Quite a long way from New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 another guess Chile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWJ Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, ngakonui grass said: another guess Chile I think you just got further away than Saratoga.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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