Covid-19 update

[Hesi]

You have to remember our primary sector industries are unaffected by Covid, along with the many industries that service the primary sector

Whitebaiting for example

[mardigras]

14 minutes ago, Hesi said:

You have to remember our primary sector industries are unaffected by Covid, along with the many industries that service the primary sector

Whitebaiting for example

They will be affected to various degrees. But what's your point? 

NZ has one of the largest contributions to GDP from tourism - one of the key areas affected. The numbers i have has us more than double the level of Spain and close to 4 times that of the USA. Tourism and associated industry as an employment sector is huge. That area alone should be having a massive impact on our unemployment/spend levels

[curious]

32 minutes ago, Hesi said:

You have to remember our primary sector industries are unaffected by Covid, along with the many industries that service the primary sector

Whitebaiting for example

The large dairy farm next door is building LARGE new houses that they couldn't afford 3 years ago.

 

[Hesi]

No point, just asking what is driving all the spending, when most have predicted it should be having a deleterious effect.

Also the housing market has been unaffected

[curious]

Just got this today for example.

[mardigras]

3 minutes ago, Hesi said:

No point, just asking what is driving all the spending, when most have predicted it should be having a deleterious effect.

Also the housing market has been unaffected

I think like you suggested. People that would otherwise spend money offshore, are spending it locally - whether that be local travel or on other industry. I have been. And am off for a 10 days in the Stewart Island area next month. I normally travel overseas a fair bit. Not looking to do any at the moment. So might as well revisit some NZ areas. I think many are doing the same. I was in the National Park area a month or so ago and the place was packed. And was down south a couple of weeks back and it was busy than ever according to the locals.

Edited August 6, 2020 by mardigras

[Freda]

8 hours ago, barryb said:

Yep, similar for me.

 

Off to Chch to watch Celine win next Sat

Organize some rain down here, will ya?

[mardigras]

45 minutes ago, barryb said:

I am doing a naked dance tonight, it will work.

tmi 🙂 

[Midnight Caller]

2 hours ago, barryb said:

I am doing a naked dance tonight, it will work.

Let's hope the blinds and fog are down tonight Barry!!😁

All the best with your next start B and P🏇

[Maximus]

On 8/5/2020 at 6:49 PM, barryb said:

Stop it Jacinda.

We havent got through this yet mate, the worst is yet to come. Sunday after election day is hell on earth for intelligent Kiwis, goons like you will be out Whitebaiting & dipshits like Craig will be trolling through 1960s music videos.

but...but...but Spring will be in the air! Dem birdies will be singin' in the trees (except the ones outside Uncle Winnie's house, ' mebbe even the green House of James) ..dem baa-lambs will be frolickin', nay gambollin' in the lush green pastures of the provinces ('ceptin' Southland, where it'll still be snowin') ....and all will be well in the Lucky Country, God's Owing Country, where St. Jacinda rules with a fist of iron kindness and a set of gnashers to match.

[Hesi]

Just when you thought the now departed David Clark was the standard for stupidity, we get this

Covid 19 coronavirus: US Government issues New Zealand travel warning due to its '23 active cases'

7 Aug, 2020 3:53pm

 2 minutes to read

 

The US Government has warned its citizens to be very cautious about travelling to New Zealand because of the country's "23 active cases" of Covid-19. Photo / Getty Images

NZ Herald

 

 

 

[Hesi]

Herd Immunity

Been reading up about this, as a scenario for the future, in view of the latest headlines about Sweden.

Basically it can be achieved by vaccination or natural infection

For a population to start seeing a controllable decrease in the spread of a  coronavirus like Covid 19, it is estimated that 50-70% of a population would need to have been infected.

If you apply that to a country like USA, where the virus has had a free spread, using their death rates, then 5.25 - 7.38 million people would die, or 1.6 - 2.23% of the population

Applying that to a population like NZ, and assuming you use the death rate of the USA, because our rate is not relevant, because we have so far eliminated the virus.  That would mean 79,000 - 111,000 deaths in order to achieve herd immunity.

That figure would be higher, as the health system could not cope with those numbers so many more people would die through lack of specialist care.

Is it a viable option, I don't think so some how

 

 

[Maximus]

NZ's biggest weakness imo has always been the lack of ICU beds and ventilators needed to handle a runaway virus as in USA. Speaking to a senior DHB manager the other day, I was told we had 4 ventilators now in our region (popn 150,000). As soon as the virus is present in rest homes, hospitals you lose some of the trained workforce to quarantine and its not long before the health system is groaning ad worsened by knock-on effects eg elective surgery cancelled.

[curious]

https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/13-08-2020/why-the-forecasters-got-it-so-wrong-on-the-covid-unemployment-rate/

[curious]

On 5/1/2020 at 2:46 PM, curious said:

It's not predictable in my view. I'm not clear what evidence those predictions are based on. Depression in depressing circumstances is a normal human response.

 

On 5/3/2020 at 4:26 PM, curious said:

More bs floating on this.

11.30am: Suicide increase claims ‘dangerous and untrue’

Prompted by speculation that there has been a surge in suicide in lockdown – claims issued by an anonymous rightwing troll account on Twitter and credulously amplified by a handful of commentators and at least one member of parliament – the Mental Health Foundation has issued a statement. “There is no evidence New Zealand’s suicide rates have increased over lockdown. There is no truth to this rumour. It is irresponsible, dangerous and untrue,” it said.

“We are worried about the level of credibility given to such claims, which it has seen popping up with increasing frequency. Very few people in NZ can accurately assess numbers of suicide at a national level. Do not contribute to misunderstandings and false information about suicide in New Zealand by sharing this rumour even if it is to deny or critique it. Sharing misinformation, even with the best of intentions, ultimately causes more harm.”

It added: “We are worried about the impact these rumours will have on people who are currently vulnerable to suicide. Whenever we have a public discussion about suicide, people who are currently suicidal or who are vulnerable to suicide are always listening.”

 

[ngakonui grass]

Watched a bit of the DNC.

Clinton,Obama and Harris all claimed that Biden was the man to beat the Pandemic.

How?

Just about impossible for it to be achieved in a democracy of 400million unless they introduce martial law and Biden won't do that.

A man who has been sucking the Govt teat for 40 years and achieved very little is expected to save the nation.

Just a lot of political b/s.

 

[curious]

This is a worry.

https://www.punters.com.au/news/further-scratchings-following-covid-positive-_192570/

[Freda]

2 hours ago, curious said:

This is a worry.

https://www.punters.com.au/news/further-scratchings-following-covid-positive-_192570/

Indeed.  But given the scope of the outbreak in Victoria,  really only a matter of time.

[Hesi]

Here's a thought

They should inoculate all those that think Covid 19 is a hoax, put them into army managed isolation at the Waiouru military camp, for the benefit of all of us that don't think it is a hoax, but get them all to sign a waiver first, saying the state has no obligation to provide them with medical care.

That should shut the fuckers up

[mardigras]

Now I don't know what they should have done, but I think the government has cocked up.

We created a massive advantage with the first lockdown which gave us control of health, a win/win on the economy and time to get a better understanding of what they were dealing with.

That time should have been used to work out how to deal with future cases without locking down a large % of the country. Bit by bit, we are diminishing the gains made during lockdown 1. I don't see how we can just go into lockdown every time there is a community based case. as with what we have now, there is likely to be others.

[Hesi]

23 minutes ago, mardigras said:

Now I don't know what they should have done, but I think the government has cocked up.

We created a massive advantage with the first lockdown which gave us control of health, a win/win on the economy and time to get a better understanding of what they were dealing with.

That time should have been used to work out how to deal with future cases without locking down a large % of the country. Bit by bit, we are diminishing the gains made during lockdown 1. I don't see how we can just go into lockdown every time there is a community based case. as with what we have now, there is likely to be others.

Easier said than done at the moment.

As I have said before, a steep curve that is being learned as each day goes by

[mardigras]

9 minutes ago, Hesi said:

Easier said than done at the moment.

As I have said before, a steep curve that is being learned as each day goes by

Certainly is easier said than done at the moment. That's why they should have done it during the 3 - 4 months prior. Now, it's too effing late.

Even just being more localised, better contact tracing. Confine, test, confine, test. Let the rest continue until they are required to be confined. Their tracing app is appalling and they didn't seem to care. They got complacent.

Edited August 23, 2020 by mardigras

[One Perfect Day]

 

 

Cranbourne lockdown lifted

Adam McGrath@AdamMcGrath89

 

 

Racing Victoria has advised that the seven Cranbourne stables that had been on lockdown have had the restrictions lifted and can resume to normal activities on Monday, which is when the training centre will reopen following the completion of deep cleaning.

Eighty-eight licenced and registered participants at Cranbourne Turf Club were tested yesterday with all returning negative tests.

The stables included Richard Laming, Trent Busuttin and Natalie Young, Wendy Kelly, Nathan Dunn, Michael Trotter, Adrian McGregor and Tom Nikolic.

RV Chief Executive, Giles Thompson, said: “It’s both pleasing and comforting to know that all the tests taken yesterday have been returned as negative. This underlines the importance and benefit of the strict biosecurity protocols that we have had in place since mid-March to allow for the safe conduct of over 1800 races here in Victoria.

“I want to thank all of the impacted stables and their staff for their swift actions since Friday night and their willingness to make important sacrifices for the benefit of the industry during that period.

“I also want to extend the best wishes of all within the industry to the stablehand that has tested positive to the virus. Our welfare staff are engaged with the individual and will continue to support them throughout the coming weeks.

“This incident should serve as a timely reminder to all within our industry of the critical importance of following both Government directives and our industry biosecurity protocols to ensure the safe continuation of training and racing in Victoria.

“I once again implore everyone in our industry to continue doing the right thing. If you or someone in your household is feeling unwell, don’t go to work. Make sure you reach out and tell your boss and Racing Victoria and get yourself tested at the earliest opportunity. Anyone who fails to do so immediately is putting the entire industry at risk and will face significant penalties.”

While most will return to work, the staff member from the Richard Laming stable that tested positive to COVID-19 on Friday will remain in quarantine for 14 days.

The staff member will not be permitted to return to work until cleared by the DHHS, the stewards and RV’s Chief Medical Officer.

A further eight stable staff for Laming who all tested negative yesterday but were identified as close contacts are required to self-isolate for 14 days and re-take another COVID-19 test in 11 days.

[LookingForValue]

I'm wearing a mask and using sanitiser everytime I go out.

 

"Queensland authorities have issued an urgent public health alert for more than forty venues after a COVID-19 cluster emerged at the Brisbane Youth Detention Centre.

Nine cases have been linked to the centre after a 77-year-old Ipswich woman had experienced mild symptoms and continued to work while infectious.

Two further cases of COVID-19, both household contacts of an existing case, were linked to the cluster on Sunday."

 

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/on-alert-more-than-40-queensland-venues-exposed-to-covid-19-c-1259440

 

[curious]

5 hours ago, mardigras said:

Certainly is easier said than done at the moment. That's why they should have done it during the 3 - 4 months prior. Now, it's too effing late.

Even just being more localised, better contact tracing. Confine, test, confine, test. Let the rest continue until they are required to be confined. Their tracing app is appalling and they didn't seem to care. They got complacent.

I agree with that but don't see what's wrong with the tracing app?