All things Covid and Political discussion .........Be Kind

[mardigras]

Just now, Maximus said:

The issue is, the councils don't even know the extent of their own problems - so how can they fix them?

And you think handing over control of these vital services from local/regional to centralised authority is going to HELP?

 

Sure do. Spend the massive amounts of money investigating what is there. The myriad of councils are not going to do that. But that is what is required.

[mardigras]

1 minute ago, Maximus said:

Councils simply need the FINACIAL RESOURC E to solve their own problems, but are stymied. Not enough money to do what needs doing. Water reform is VITAL, no question, but a bureaucratic entity in (say) Wellington aint going to deal effectively with (say) Wairoa water issues cos it'll take forever to get a DECISION.

 

I disagree. Council have the financial resource - it's called their ratepayers. They are only stymied by their years of elected members being inadequate in dealing with the inevitable. Yet that is what people are complaining about. A bunch of elected people making decisions -- like the government does. Usually useless twits. 

[mardigras]

4 minutes ago, Maximus said:

IMO 4 entities is nonsense. Reform is good; central control is bad for a nation of 5M spread across two islands with very low population density apart from Auckland. IMO we need about 6-10 regional entities 
Say..AUCKLAND/BOP/WAIKATO/CENTRAL N I / MANAWATU/WELLINGTON /MARLBOROUGH/WEST COAST/ CANTERBURY OTAGO/SOUTHLAND...

I agree, 4 is nonsense - should have been one.

[Maximus]

A bunch of elected people making decisions -- like the government does. Usually useless twits. 

you prefer a dictatorship?

[Hesi]

27 minutes ago, Maximus said:

tend to agree Pete..Ardern is not committed to NZ, she has global ambitions and the UN is calling.

My prediction is that Ardern will release the pressure valve on Auckland effective 1 December latest; IMO it has already been decided but announcing it early Nov will slow down vax rates so they will keep everyone guessing til the last moment (IMO 20 Nov latest); by that time vax certificates will be ready online and the gummit will try to take the credit for saving your summer holidays while keeping us all 'safe'.. bla bla bla.

If that does not happen - the 1 December 'release' - Labour are gone in 2023.

As an aside, Max also predicts that the Three Waters legislation will be advanced under urgency in Parlt in December, when most people are not looking (incl mainstream media). It'll be 'law' before you know it! 
If National has  any brains, they will tell Judith to hand over to someone else - anyone else, Bridges or Luxon or both as a 'team for the future' (with her full support, of course). If that doesn't happen by the end of the summer, Max will be very surprised.
 

Good post Maxi, and I think it is exactly on the money, especially the bit I have highlighted

[mardigras]

4 minutes ago, Maximus said:

You gave to be able to respond reasonably quickly to this stuff (Norovirus, campylobacter or whatever). Preventing it is better; so you upgrade the infrastructure efficiently, not by slowing things down with 'red tape'. Empower regional water authorities by FUNDING THEM instead of centralising everything or leaving it to District councils with small popn bases to raise rates.

Centralising doesn't preclude the ability to resource nationally. What we have now is red tape. The red tape being that they won't spend the money, they don't want to look under the covers, so they prefer the ostrich approach. And you want more of it. 

Funding the myriad of councils will just see more of the same. A non standard approach to trying to work things out. Why haven't they worked out how to fund themselves. It's what they do every damn year. Yet you trust they could suddenly start doing this right - because they've been gifted some money that for some reason they've never asked of their ratepayers.

[mardigras]

13 minutes ago, Maximus said:

A bunch of elected people making decisions -- like the government does. Usually useless twits. 

you prefer a dictatorship?

No - I prefer the entire business was handed over to a commercial operation with sla's and a budget with approved variances. And by handed over, that would include ownership of all the assets (paid for under an agreed pricing approach/model). Quite similar to how I would handover the TAB to a commercial operation.

Edited November 5, 2021 by mardigras

[Maximus]

26 minutes ago, mardigras said:

No - I prefer the entire business was handed over to a commercial operation with sla's and a budget with approved variances. And by handed over, that would include ownership of all the assets (paid for under an agreed pricing approach/model). Quite similar to how I would handover the TAB to a commercial operation.

would your model include co-governance by Maori?

[pete]

1 hour ago, Hesi said:

Wouldn't you,  accused of everything from the devil incarnate to ........

Doesn't say much about the character of people making such accusations.......does it?

Anyway polls will give a more accurate picture of the mood of the nation, as opposed to individuals perceptions

My point was don't rely on polls. They are wrong more times than they're right.

I just don't understand how anyone can still think this government has anything to offer. The list of failures is exhaustive.

But hey, if you want to delude yourself that this woman is still our saviour then who am I to persuade you otherwise.

[mardigras]

4 minutes ago, Maximus said:

would your model include co-governance by Maori?

In some fashion. As I said earlier - it's already happening. Do you think councils are doing things around infrastructure such as waste water and storm water without major input from Maori. If you do, you're dreaming.

And as I said in my first post - the implementation may not be appropriate, but the idea of centralised control is as close to a must as anything I know about. The alternative has failed repeatedly. And doing the same thing and expecting a different result - we all know how that ends.

Edited November 5, 2021 by mardigras

[Hesi]

6 minutes ago, pete said:

My point was don't rely on polls. They are wrong more times than they're right.

I just don't understand how anyone can still think this government has anything to offer. The list of failures is exhaustive.

But hey, if you want to delude yourself that this woman is still our saviour then who am I to persuade you otherwise.

A poll of 1000 people, so the perceptions of 1000 people, will always be more accurate than the perception of one individual

[pete]

3 minutes ago, barryb said:

I cant read this anymore Pete, you are firing me up terribly.

I have had complete gutsful of this lockdown shit, my hair looks like fucking sonic the hegdehog & I have stacked on about 5 kg.

Covid wont bloody get me, obesity will.

You and me both buddy. Too much booze and food and general apathy has done me in.

And don't talk about my hair. This is inhumane.

[mardigras]

1 minute ago, Hesi said:

A poll of 1000 people, so the perceptions of 1000 people, will always bee more accurate than the perception of one individual

Most of the people that take part in polls are usually asleep or about to be.

[pete]

1 minute ago, Hesi said:

A poll of 1000 people, so the perceptions of 1000 people, will always be more accurate than the perception of one individual

Haha too funny. What about the perception of 1.5 million fucked off Aucklanders.

[Globederby19]

1 hour ago, mardigras said:

Surely you could give 'your' assets back and the council would pay you for them. Tui ad.

🤣

[Globederby19]

1 hour ago, Hesi said:

Doesn't say much about the character of people making such accusations.......does it?

Now for someone running this site , character assassinations of the very people who support your site show poor form. I know I have been accused of it, and both of us are passionate about our political leanings , but some where in-between the truth lies . Labour ( Led by Mao Zedong), are dead in the water, the level of anger is growing, FAST. 

[pete]

5 minutes ago, Globederby19 said:

Now for someone running this site , character assassinations of the very people who support your site show poor form. I know I have been accused of it, and both of us are passionate about our political leanings , but some where in-between the truth lies . Labour ( Led by Mao Zedong), are dead in the water, the level of anger is growing, FAST. 

I don't think Alan was directing that to you personally Rees.

But I can't speak for him obviously.

[Hesi]

general comment

[Maximus]

13 minutes ago, barryb said:

I cant read this anymore Pete, you are firing me up terribly.

I have had complete gutsful of this lockdown shit, my hair looks like fucking sonic the hegdehog & I have stacked on about 5 kg.

Covid wont bloody get me, obesity will.

barryb...i'm with you mate ...the cost of these ridiculous restrictions is far worse than the cost of Covid per se. 1-2% mortality rate, clearly worse for people with co-morbidities etc ..but to traumatise an entire nation with this is ridiculous ..but a socialist government doesn't care what damage is done to SMEs or families..as long as you learn to 'do what you're told'; do what we say and we'll give you money (that they've borrowed and/or printed). 

Singapore ..a land area the size of Lake Taupo, similar popn to NZ (5m+) ..90% popn double jabbed but well over 2000 new cases a day  ..and guess what? Hospitalisation and/or death occurs 97% among the UNVACCINATED...it's not rocket science..if you get the jabs and then get Covid you are very likely to recover.

But here in NZ with Cindy in charge you cant come home even if you're double jabbed and negative test without going into MIQ ..while community cases are allowed/told to 'self-isolate' at home (high trust model there). How do you do that in a three-generation home in Sth Akld? FFS. There will be more deaths 'at home' of the kind we heard about today.

Time for this Govt to get real. You are more likely to die from undiagnosed pros/breast/bowel/throat/lung or wherever cancer ..or from untreated obesity/diabetes/whooping cough/rheumatic fever / the list goes on ...than you are from Covid-19.

The citizens of this country have had ample time to take sensible action.. please don't tell me the Maori on the East, West, North or South coasts don't know the facts and are 'more vulnerable'; FFS this Govt just handed over $120m to improve Maori vaccinations - how separatist/racist is that? Aren't all tangata whenua included in the team of five million?

if the govt doesnt relax restrictions by 1 December, they are gone in 2023. They know this.

Just watch them make pleasing announcements of which they are 'very proud' to 'open up' our freedoms in time for summer and 'thanks very much, good people of Auckland Tamaki Makarau, we know this has been especially tough for you. The fallout wont occur until next year when businesses fold, skyrocketing interest rates and the cost of food, fuel go through the roof. m.If you've got a Govt/agency job, you're OK, they wont get rid of you, they need more of you. Socialist/communist ideology does not do well when small (privately-owned) businesses do well. NZ is a country of SMEs. This government wants to change that by making you dependent on them ..and they are in the process of passing legislation that will do that - Three Waters, for example.

In conclusion .. Max is not, and has never been, a member of any political party. But I am seriously worried about the direction this 'land of milk and honey' is heading.

MM

 

[Globederby19]

19 minutes ago, Hesi said:

general comment

I realise that, I wasn't taking it personally, just in a general sense. 

[Globederby19]

1 minute ago, Maximus said:

Govt just handed over $120m to improve Maori vaccinations - how separatist/racist is that?

Not really Max, this Govt is shit scared of the Racist card being presented by Maori when it comes to being locked out of general life for those not vaccinated. And here in the Wairarapa it is only about 35% of Maori that have been vaccinated. They aren't stupid , they know they can pull the card on this Govt when and where they need . Good on em.

[craigos1]

1 hour ago, Hesi said:

A poll of 1000 people, so the perceptions of 1000 people, will always be more accurate than the perception of one individual

Alan is right.

If we took raceplace as a political entity of how NZ thinks of the Government , then Labour are doomed to the backbenches for years to come , but unfortunately for the raceplace majority view is different.

Labour has with help from the Greens a huge % lead in the 18 - 30 age group.

Whilst you may say WTF do they know this large proportion of Voters are left to left of left and most of all supportive of the Governments handling of Covid.

Jacinda & Grant both are very popular with this age group.

 

[craigos1]

Too many on here are using the reverse racism card.

IMO a lot don't know or want to understand the difficulties regarding Maori or Pasifika for that matter.

I'm not going to go further except to say racism is the thing that annoys me the most.

[Dancing Show]

It's not a Raceplace view that Labour are doomed .. it is only the view of the majority of those that are posting on this thread which is a minority of Raceplace.   

 

[Maximus]

Max never purports to express any views other than his own. In summary:

• Labour has not handled the Covid response well THIS YEAR (ie Delta). Slow vax rollout, MIQ breaches that let Delta in in the first place, lack of trained ICU personnel/equipment etc)
• Multiple issues on which they campaigned have worsened - housing, child poverty, etc
• Their 'mandate to govern' is being exploited but will bite them big time in 2023 if National and/or ACT get organised
• There is likely to be to be a 'hard landing' from this crisis. Another 2 years of this inflationary environment and all hell will be let loose -if banks get the jitters over mortgage repayments and start foreclosing on the over-committed, the house of cards may fall; if the crisis happens in the next 12-18 months, Labour will gone. And Cindy (plus Clarke and Neve)w ill be crying her eyes out from the safety of some UN outpost eg Geneva/NYC/Beijing.

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by Maximus