Hesi Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 The MP who laid the complaint against Simon Bridges is understood to be Jacqui Dean. It is understood to relate to crude comments Bridges made in front of several people, about five years ago. Dean complained about it at the time and Bridges was spoken to. Bill English was the leader of the party at the time. Dean has been approached for comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) and they're off in the 2021 National Leadership Stakes... hot fave to be gone by lunchtime is #1 Crusher Collins ... What a stupid stupid decision to try to kneecap Bridges that way...did she think ANYONE - let alone Nat MPs - would allow that to go unchallenged? Shows you how unfit she is to lead a mainstream political party in this country. Interestingly, at the same time as this is going down, Jacinda and comrades have put through, under urgency, new sweeping laws in response to Covid (ie vaccine mandate laws etc). Well, if this country cant manage Delta now - when nearly 90% of the eligible popn is double-jabbed, when summer weather is arriving, and when we have only a handful of urban centres with relatively high population density - well, we'll get what we deserve! Even more gob-smackingly UNBELIEVABLY BAD - is the decision to make double-jabbed international tourists self-isolate for 7 days from April 2022. The damage being done to this country by these sorts of foolish decisions under the guise of 'public health policy', 'saving Kiwis' lives' and 'leaving no-one behind' is going to be horrendous. One can only hope that the New National Party leadership team can work with ACT over the next two years to boot these pathetic socialist bleeders out of office. MM PS: Thanks for nothing, Winston ! Edited November 24, 2021 by Maximus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 If they were in fact horses, who would they be Collins - Sir Slick, been around a long time in a lot of battles, probably should have been retired by now Bridges - Veandercross, a champion of the people, been poorly handled in a few big races Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown fox Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Does anyone know EXACTLY what Bridges said?Cant find it anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, brown fox said: Does anyone know EXACTLY what Bridges said?Cant find it anywhere Yes, he said, not directly to Jacqui Dean, but to a group of other MP's, she overheard, that if you want to increase your chances of conceiving a girl, the you had to go in shallower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Hesi said: Yes, he said, not directly to Jacqui Dean, but to a group of other MP's, she overheard, that if you want to increase your chances of conceiving afor context) girl, the you had to go in shallower not what i heard... Herald says 9 Bridges is understood to have been talking with a group of about three fellow MPs, including Jami-Lee Ross and Todd McClay, when Dean walked past and the Tauranga MP called to her and made the comment. he said something along the lines of: to conceive a daughter should I use long, slow strokes or hard and fast ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Maximus said: not what i heard... Herald says 9 Bridges is understood to have been talking with a group of about three fellow MPs, including Jami-Lee Ross and Todd McClay, when Dean walked past and the Tauranga MP called to her and made the comment. he said something along the lines of: to conceive a daughter should I use long, slow strokes or hard and fast ... Same vein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) And that has troubled her for five years? Wtf is she doing in parliament? What a pathetic creature. Edited November 25, 2021 by Freda 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Dean is no doubt a Collins loyalist (or perhaps Collins was in a position to gently encourage her to regurgitate the whole pathetic issue. Remember this was dealt with 'in-house' at the time by Bill English and for Collins to use it as a lever against Bridges now proves her unworthiness to lead. As if we couldnt already see that - surely the polls have said it all for a long, long time and the most sensible thing would have been for the Nats caucus to organise their transition to new leadership proactively, ie Collins voluntarily resigns for the good of the Party and the new brooms sweep clean from January. But no. Still, its happened - messy, but the festering sore has been lanced, so to speak. Bye bye Crusher. You were a poor Minister and a poor leader. Edited November 25, 2021 by Maximus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Boy oh boy, has he been shafted. Didn't Collins just recently say categorically Simon wouldn't be leader of National. For once I feel sorry for Simon Bridges. Appalling political muck raking. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Electing Bridges to lead would be a BIG MISTAKE if National want to win in 2023. Bridges is damaged goods, perhaps to a lesser degree than Collins, perhaps not; if the Nats have any nous at all - and they havent shown a lot from the Board down in recent years - they will start afresh with the best combo they can muster of political experience, leadership skills, energy and inspiration. Looking around their caucus, there's not much of those qualities obviously on display. Reti has the solidity, integrity and 'big picture' focus but lacks charisma; Mitchell is the most clearly down-to-earth 'likeable Kiwi bloke' character; Bridges is an excellent debater but has black marks on his record; and Luxon is a fundamentalist Christian with superb business skills but not enough time in the House. Max is picking a Mitchell/Reti or Mitchell/Luxon combo to be announced. In the meantime the socialist bleeding heart liberals are laughing themselves silly as Godzone quietly goes down the gurgler in an avalanche of debt, social misery, poor infrastructure, ideological nonsense (from climate change to law and order issues) and wasteful ill-directed spending. God defend New Zealand indeed. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Maximus said: Max is picking a Mitchell/Reti or Mitchell/Luxon combo to be announced. In the meantime the socialist bleeding heart liberals are laughing themselves silly as Godzone quietly goes down the gurgler in an avalanche of debt, social misery, poor infrastructure, ideological nonsense (from climate change to law and order issues) and wasteful ill-directed spending. God defend New Zealand indeed. MM Well said Max. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 My thoughts They will take a punt on Luxon. Whoever they pick, that person has to lead the Nats into the next election. Luxon is the only potential heavyweight. And don't worry, John Key will be sticking his ore in for Luxon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hesi said: Luxon is the only potential heavyweight. Correct, but being a Christian and a pretty dedicated one could be a poison chalice, as many before him have found out and failed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 He has been challenged on that before and indicated he can keep the 2 aspects separate. As much as I like Simon, I cannot see him, Mark Mitchell, Nicola Willis or Chris Bishop as PM material, able lieutenants maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigos1 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, pete said: What? Spell checker issues! Maybe I misread 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, craigos1 said: Spell checker issues! Maybe I misread 😳 Sorry mate you've lost me but it's been a long day 😄. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Trying to be objective here. National's high ground is business and rural. They need to do everything possible to get back to that. Luxon is the most accomplished businessman in the party, and he is backed by Key. End of story really, they have to take a risk and go with him, despite his political inexperience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, barryb said: The last thing the Torys need Max is a bible bashing fella, that shit belongs in the past, An atheists view obviously Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, barryb said: 90% of NZs view & mine for sure, it’s no longer vote grabbing. I beg to differ, but secular thinking has taken over to our detriment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Globederby19 said: I beg to differ, but secular thinking has taken over to our detriment. Without starting another religious war, I seriously doubt that. I did laugh however at Tamaki getting all up tight about Ardern telling him what he could or couldn't do. Churches have been doing that forever - odd given his position. Edited November 25, 2021 by mardigras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, pete said: Yeah whatever. You keep taking the red pills. If you honestly think that what this government is doing right now is proper democratic process then go for it. Well it's kept you alive hasn't it? The thing that amazes me about everyone that posts saying they should have done this, done that, is doing it because they are still alive and all their family are and they are not thankful for that They try and sit there saying if we'd done this, done that.. like opening up the country earlier blah blah... and because we didn't - you don't have all the dead bodies to explain away. We have been spoilt and been saved the utter sadness of losing so many of our loved ones to this virus, but unfortunately as we haven't lost so many so far, everyone sits on pedestals thinking they can restrospectively say what would have been, ignoring the deaths in countries overseas. Get off your high horses and just be thankful that everyone you love is still here and not dead due to Covid because I can tell you that some of us aren't so lucky that have lost loved ones overseas because their government didn't act so quickly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigos1 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Exactly Well said Maria 👌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, barryb said: Bullshit, we are a modern educated society with zero need for beliefs well past there use by date. No one goes anymore Globe because it hasn’t kept pace with change or science. That's what I would have thought, yet there is still a significant percentage of the population, that have religious beliefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, barryb said: Clearly not from Auckland or Waikato, haven’t been subjected to 100 days of bullshit due to inept roll out of vaccines, countless businesses and peoples lives fecked because of it, mainly hard working employers funding the lockdown I might add. What about all the poor bastards with surgeries deferred, undetected cancers, illnesses etc, or the poor bloody families not able to say goodbye to loved ones past for other reasons. Most of what you are mentioning is due to isolation from the rest of the world and luck. Pity any poor bugger with kids under 30 who will be paying higher taxes to fund pensioners and the economic fallout from this, not to mention global warming and a catastrophic housing crisis. I live in the Waikato Barry. What do you think would have happened if the country was open and those surgeries had gone ahead. Don't you think they would not only have had their illnesses to deal with, but possible Covid as well that would have signed their death warrant a lot earlier than missing surgery. Yes we've missed saying goodbye to love ones but better than saying goodbye to even more. Sure there will be global fall out, but we can build from that because we have most of our population alive, other countries can't say that, and that is why you see many of the brains of the world wanting to come down here, to our little piece of the world. It's not the first pandemic that has hit the world, but we are in a better space to work our way out of it for now, than many, that are going through yet another wave. Many of those countries have not even been really opened, not enough to get their economy stable, but we are okay, and can provide support to get many business up and going again. Don't minimise what we have here, by pulling in generalisations. Global warming was happening long before Covid, and pensioners were always going to be there given the mushroom effect of baby boomers, that's not a new consideration and was planned for with Kiwisaver etc coming in and the sudden growth of retirement homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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